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7 year old left alone in house and allowed to cook supper

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FrannyandZooey · 03/06/2006 12:16

I have been meaning to post something about this for a while but another thread this morning reminded me of it. In the Milly Molly Mandy stories (written in the 20s and 30s), MMM has an idyllic childhood, enjoying things such as fishing for tiddlers, raising an orphaned hedgehog, watching the blacksmith in the forge, etc etc. She seems to me to be between about 5 and 8 years old, although I would be interested in people's opinions of this.

Obviously a lot of the things she does were once safer, or regarded as a lot safer. I imagine children could wander about freely because there was less traffic, also I think the community as a whole would regard children's safety as a joint responsibility so if you got into difficulty a friendly adult would help you out. We have more awareness of 'stranger danger' these days although I don't know whether there is in fact more danger around. Probably.

However some of the things she is allowed to do would just be totally taboo today. She stays in by herself with Little-Friend-Susan one evening and they fry up onions and all sorts of things (although they are notably not allowed to use the bread knife, which has made a great impression on ds :))

I also find it interesting that although she is allowed more or less to get on with her life without much adult interference, she does is only given her own bedroom at this age and previously slept in her parents' room.

I am just rambling now but I wondered what other people thought about this, and whether there is any way to give our own children more of a Milly Molly Mandy type of childhood?

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EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 16:59

Right - I'll have to go up to dd1's bedroom and find this bl**dy book. Sure there was a Miss Plum. Too many 1970's childhood bells are being rung. Have I got mixed up with Cluedo? Should I be doing other things like, feeding my children? Probably.

Fillyjonk · 04/06/2006 17:05

emmylou, there is an easier way

\link{http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0333766792/qid=1149436821/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_3_2/202-6461819-1635028\the dolls house} feat. tottie & marchpane

\link{http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1405088567/qid=1149436920/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_3_4/202-6461819-1635028\miss happiness and miss flower}

\link{http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140307370/qid=1149437017/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/202-6461819-1635028\little plum}

EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 17:05

Solved my own mystery (don't think anyone else is running with me on this one but I'll tell you anyway) Little Plum is the sequel to Miss Happiness and Miss Flower. There.

EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 17:06

Doh! Fillyjonj - you beat me to it. The run up two flights of stairs did me good though.

EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 17:13

Little Plum is £9.50!!! Good return on 1970's 25p. Must trawl through other childhood books have given to dd1. I know I have a 1958 edition of Orlando's Magic Carpet - but my brother was born in 1960 so that was v concientious of parents.

fullmoonfiend · 04/06/2006 17:39

Love the look of that book - Mud Pies and other recipes for Dolls !
That's something my 2 boys have never quite 'got', despite my best efforts. I remember spending days with my best friend (aged 6) collecting flower heads and putting them in jars of water, hoping to make perfume. We were gutted when a week later, all we had was really vile-smelling gloop. (Though the rose petal one was quite a pretty colour:) )

TooTicky · 04/06/2006 18:42

I highly recommend Astrid Lindgren's books - Pippi Longstocking, the books about Emil, Mio My Son, Karlsson (a little man with a propellor on his back). Also The Brothers Lionheart - so magical - but not for a 3-year-old, 5 or 6 maybe up to adult.
Moomin books of course are indisputably wonderful.
Probably obvious, but the original Winnie-the-Pooh books.
For slightly older children, does anyone else love Cynthia Harnett? She wrote evocatively real historical stories. I would have loved to have met her.
The stories about Danny Fox are nice too, but I can't remember who wrote them.
Oh, and picture books by Colin Thompson...

EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 19:00

I loved Emile and the Detectives but can't remember how old I was when I read it but when I looked on Amazon recently, couldn't find an English version.

TooTicky · 04/06/2006 19:09

Aah, a different Emil! Not sure I've read that. Try Emil and the Clever Pig or Emil and the Soup Tureen. The Emil I know (by Astrid Lindgren) is a very naughty little boy - very funny stories.

EmmyLou · 04/06/2006 20:18

This Emile was French, I think.

Californifrau · 04/06/2006 23:50

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suzywong · 05/06/2006 01:07

Emile was German, possibly Swiss

Blimey are those kinds of books really that expensive? My parents have a comprehensive collection of mid 20C children's literature and my mum is always going on that the books must be valued by a dealer when they kick the bucket, I always thought she was being dramatice but now I know differently. Just hope philitstine sister doesn't send them off to the car boot.

ediemay · 05/06/2006 01:28

I loved "Grimble" by Clement Freud - still have it. He goes to school, returns home to find a globe with a little flag in the UK saying "Grimble" and another in Peru saying "us"; along with a note saying that there are lots of apricot jam sandwiches in the oven.

I would love to act this out for our new HV.

Warning regarding the Laura Ingalls Wilder books - you risk becoming worryingly interested in quilting. I read them all and couldn't wait for her to snog Almanzo

Californifrau · 05/06/2006 02:18

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Fillyjonk · 05/06/2006 07:35

oooh, yes, grimble!

the quilting thing is so true Blush

FrannyandZooey · 05/06/2006 07:44

Grimble is fabbety fab but ds was most unimpressed when we tried it. Possibly the humour was a bit twisted for a 3 year old, or maybe it was the absent parent thing again.

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Fillyjonk · 05/06/2006 07:52

am off to inflict pain upon my credit card now...its already reelng from all earlybird's cd ideas...(somehow didn't buy dan zane though...)

TooTicky · 05/06/2006 09:45

F&Z, have you tried the Mortimer books by Joan Aiken? Real laugh out loud material. Especially the one about the Black Mamba.

singersgirl · 05/06/2006 10:41

Don't Grimble's parents leave him with 10p for his dinner, and as 10p isn't very nourishing, he goes off to find something else?

Love the family from One End Street books. DSs both singularly unimpressed by MNLS and MMM - "it's about a girl, Mummy".

TooTicky · 05/06/2006 11:28

We have that problem - ds1 very scornful of girl things, despite my best efforts!

EmmyLou · 05/06/2006 21:31

How Tom Beat Captain Najork and His Hired Sportsmen by Russel Hoban is an absolute classic (picture book but for older children, illustrated by Quentin Blake) and celebrates the ingenious, creative kind of 'messing about' that boys, in particular, get up to. Aunt Fidget Wonkham-Strong in her iron hat has been much quoted in our house over the years Grin

EmmyLou · 05/06/2006 21:33

and do you have an ISBN number for Emile and the Detectives, Californifrau?

zippitippitoes · 05/06/2006 22:53

\link{http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0099413124/203-8941764-9861505\ Emil and the Detectives}

Greensleeves · 05/06/2006 22:55

Shock Emil, I remember those!!! There's the one where he gets a soup tureen stuck on his head... and he whittles figures out of wood when he's shut in the shed for being bad.. or summat..

Does anyone remember Mrs Pepperpot?