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DD overeating, don't know what to do

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andruafer · 25/09/2012 19:34

Sorry this is long. I'm frustrated and would really appreciate it if you bore with me and gave me some advice. Sad

Have namechanged for this, becaue, well...I feel guilty even saying it.

My little DD is 5, lovely, bright, with a beautiful kind heart and so trusting and sweet, but she is obsessed with food. She isnt interested in healthy food,( apart from fruit) and while I dont necessarily think thats unusual for a 5yo, I am concerned with the qauntity she can put away and her behaviour around food. She isnt overweight as such, but she is defintely 'thicker' than her friends for want of a better word, and I am 100 per cent sure that the only reason she isn't fat is because I have (some) control over her eating.

Once a week or so DD will have a little friend over for tea. On those nights we will have pizza and chips, nuggets, fishfingers or whatever ( sometimes homemade, sometimes not). It's a treat, and they will have ice cream or some chocolates afterwards. We usually tend to have another night like this at the weekend as a family. DD has no problems eating at these times and will eat with gusto. In fact, she will always always without fail ask for more. I am often amazed where she puts it and 9 times out of 10 will refuse her more.
Its difficult to just give dd a little treat if a chocolate or a packet of buttons etc, because as soon as she is finished, the inevitable whining for more will start. The treat may have been a reward for getting a certifcate at school or whatever, but this sentiment often gets lost because when she whines at me for more, I end up cross with her.
When she does have a friend over, and they have their treats, DD comes back to me repeatedly for more. Her friends get fuller way before she does and sometimes roll their eyes at how often she will interrupt play to come to ask for more treats. She isn't embarrassed when her friends get exasperated at her. I try not to tell her off in front of them, but the whining can be hard to listen to and I do end up telling her off sometimes when they are there. She doesnt seem fazed and will carry on asking.

Take today for example, DD had her little friend over for a play date. After a pizza tea, they had a little packet of harribo. She asked for a few more jellies and I did let her this time as the harribo packets were mini ones. The friends mum came to collect her child and I made a cuppa with a biscuit for us while the kids played. DD came into the room literally every 2 mintues asking for one of the biscuits. My friend gave her one (!) and still this did not satisfy dd. She came back again and again, hovering by the door and ignoring her friend who wanted to play. This is par for the course - if dd is on a play date, either at our house or her friends, she spends most of it hovering around the kitchen.
DD has taken food from my plate before now, ie, with a cake or something sweet, she had eaten hers quickly and then tried to snatch mine. She would never do this with a regular healthy meal, and in fact, she got in so much trouble for doing it that time, she hasn't repeated it since. She does however have a habit of hovering her hand over the plate of something she wants. She won't actually take it because she knows she would get in trouble, but she wont remove her hand from over the plate until you tell her off. She will ignore you until you raise your voice.
I am also embarrassed to say that she is always the last kid to leave the table at a birthday party. She will just sit there ( even at her own party) munching away and oblivious to the fun going on around her. I always have to remove the food in the end and can feel the other parents looking at dd in wonderment. If we are on holiday with my family and my mum is handing out treats to the grandkids, dd will go back for more and more. Her little cousin once called her greedy and I told him off, but she wasn't fazed and carried onj regardless. I hate the thought of my precious child being labelled like this, but it is greed. I hate that word, but she is a greedy child. Sad

I'll now give you another glimpse of what a regular day is like in our house. ( as opposed to a treat night) DD causes a scene at the table most nights because she doesn't like what I serve. When I say 'scene', she isnt a shouty child or disruptive child, but is a fantastic whiner and will take 30-40 minutes to eat a few mouthfuls, and constantly ( and I mean constantly) negotiate every single mouthful that she has to eat.
To give you an example, mealtimes usually sound like this: can I stop now? how much more of this do I have to eat? if I eat this carrot can I have a yoghurt? can I have another drink cos I dont like this dinner and the drink helps to take the taste away? can I stop? mum can I stop now?....you get the jist!.....Frustrating just isnt the word, and so I get hugely wound up by this and become very shouty because you can't have a conversation about anything else. I can't talk to my DP about his day, or dd about hers, because the meal revolves around how much dd can get away with eating and she wants you to watch how many mouthfuls she eats so that she can eat her 'quota' and then stop. She just hates most of what I put in front of her, wont try new things and even something like a sunday roast will go untouched apart from the yorkshire and roasties. ( she is obsessed with carby foods - breads, chips etc)

So what do I do? How do I get her to A) have a more positive view of regular healthy foods like chicken dinners, fish pies, soups, pasta etc? How do I stop the meal times being so stressful? Every day I promise myself I am not going to engage and simply let her eat it or go hungry - but she sucks you in! Its so hard! More importantly ( and this really is my main concern) How do I get my dd to stop obessing over sugary crappy food? To know when to stop? To stop the incessant begging, regardless of where we are and who sees her?

One thing I know for sure is that once I no longer have control over my dd's eating, she will get fat and I am so worried for her. Sad

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toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 25/09/2012 23:18

Just got to the point Op where you mentioned her lunch, and that definitely doesn't sound enough in terms of calories for a 5 year old.

DS has just turned 6 and he has a full sandwich, (or about 4 oatcakes) with one large or two small yoghurts, crisps, some fruit (a banana, or apple, or a big bunch grapes) a small carton of apple juice and lots of water. 3 hours later at home time and he is starving and is always ready for a decent snack. He is active, and we do have a 20 min walk home from school but i dont think this is unusual.

I think her blood sugar will be very low and she must feel ravenous after school and maybe this has set a pattern of constantly asking for food before tea time?

Off to read rest of posts now.

QuintessentialShadows · 25/09/2012 23:22

Can you try leave healthy options too at the table? Dont put too many biscuits, so that when the sweets are gone they are gone, and she can help herself to cherry toms, cucumber and carrot sticks?

GhouliaYelps · 25/09/2012 23:23

I also think her lunch is far too small. However what you describe in your OP - almost loosing herself in the pleasure of eating- sounds emotional to me.
Food and emotions are so closely linked.

andruafer · 25/09/2012 23:28

Thanks everyone ( feeling guilty about starving her at lunch now!) to be fair, I havent changed her lunch portions from when she was in nursery, because she never complained about it and because well...she eats so much at the cm's house after school, that I didn't (stupidly) make the connection.
Just to be clear, she has a full pot of chopped berries, or other fruit like apple or peach, plus a well filled half sandwich and most days a cheese string or babybel as well. It doesn't look like a measly lunch, but I accept it isnt enough anymore.

With regards to having a huge ( albeit) healthy breakfast in the morn at cm's house, should I challenge this or let it go? I wil def speak to her about limiting the malt loaf and banana bread. Sometimes we dont have our tea til gone 6 because of my work.

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teatimesthree · 25/09/2012 23:29

I agree tjat you should stick to water only. If you are sensitive to sugar, even diluted juice can have a dramatic effect on your blood sugar.

andruafer · 25/09/2012 23:31

have looked up that link about prada willi - I really dont think she has that....dd has none of the physical characteristics listed, plus is she bright ( well average) and doesnt have any behavioural problems ( apart from food!). She is also fussy in the extreme about which food she obsesses over Grin

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andruafer · 25/09/2012 23:36

Ghoulia - emotional eating. Is this something that, like amiga spoke of that is carried out to deal with anxieties? If so, how would I know? How could I help her? I am not slim myself, but when I'm upset I go off my food completely, so can't really relate to emotional eating per se. Does this mean that there are some other deeper issues going on with my DD?

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 25/09/2012 23:37

A big breakfast is a good thing.

If she is putting on weight I think you need to up the exercise. Some kids are just more prone to carrying weight.

Please dont discourage breakfast though. Its good she wants to eat at that time. Maybe three weetabix and two slices of toast isnt ideal- too carb heavy and a bit much for a 5 year old, but its a good habit to be in.

You sound like a great mum btw. Dont feel guilty :)

QuintessentialShadows · 25/09/2012 23:47

Carbs give you an energy high, then a low, and you will be starving really quickly.

Egg and soldiers, scrambled eggs, are much better, as protein makes you full a lot longer.

QuintessentialShadows · 25/09/2012 23:48

Weetabix and toast are easy to eat a lot of, but wont really be very filling.

A combination of protein and fruit / youghurt will keep her full longer.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 25/09/2012 23:48

Ok good about increasing lunch and getting cm to reduce carby snacks before tea, should help balance things a bit better.

Also a bit worried about the bit where you say you weigh your dd? Is this necessary, can you not tell just from looking if she is of a healthy weight or not? I haven't known ds weight since he was a baby, prob last time was his 2 year old check with HV, but I can tell by seeing him in the bath if he's ok or not (he appears to have inherited the built like a whippet genes of my dad and brother) if he ever seems to have put on a little, it just means he is about to shoot upwards again and it all stretches out. But if you weigh your dd, do you discuss it with her, make comments? Just wondering if perhaps she has some issue with this at all? Not to make you feel bad at all, but I wouldn't see a need for it myself.

ringing · 25/09/2012 23:51

My 3DC are allowed unlimited breakfast, although after a 3rd bowl of cereal they need to choose a piece of fruit instead of a 4th bowl. Breakfast is porridge, weetabix, Cheerios, rice crispies etc. Not super healthy but not cocoa pops or sugar puffs either. It means they are full for the morning and apart from fruit which they can help themselves to whenever they want, they have enough energy to take them through to lunch, so I wouldn't worry about unlimited breakfasts. Lunches are definitely larger than yours and they have school dinners so have a fairly stodgy pudding with it which they love. Kids are growing all the time and need do much energy to do so. They are really active with lots of running, bike rides, swimming etc. Please don't weigh your DD, you can tell by the shape of them whether they're overweight and it'll just make more of an issue of it. Also mine tend to grow in fits and starts so will look like they're getting a bit chubbier then have a growth spurt so are tall and skinny again. If they ever ask if food is healthy I tell them that all food gives you energy but some foods are better for giving you strong bones or muscles than others which give you a bit of energy but aren't too good at helping you grow. They know that too much of anything isn't good for you and you need lots of variety. If they ever point out the size of their thighs or other parts of their body I show them which muscles they have there and how they are meant to be that shape and size to do the right job. What you tell your DD now about eating, nutrition, weight will influence her for life so lots of luck. Because mine are so active I'm more afraid of the competitive dieting and skinniness that girls often have as they get a bit older.

wonderingagain · 26/09/2012 00:05

I'm impressed with your to do list. Well done for tackling all of these things, but don't overdo it, perhaps just start with a couple so you can see what is and what isn't working.

Make her leave the table if she doesn't want to eat at dinner time ( is this right?) offer nothing else until breakfast

Don't do this - making her leave the table is punishing her and will add emotional significance to mealtimes - the very thing you don't want to happen. I would leave her at the table and chat to her. You never know, she may pick up her fork again and eat something.

andruafer · 26/09/2012 00:09

Thanks for the reponses - I will leave the big breakfast alone and just aske her cm to maybe give her an egg and some yoghurt a few mornings a week to switch it up?
ok, the weighing thing. I never weighed my dd until very recently and the reason for this was because her dad gave me a hard time about her weight when she was a baby. He was convinced she was overweight, despite the hv and doc saying she was perfect. He kept this up for quite a long time, but i resisted the pressure from him because she was just a baby and I felt that it was just a way of putting my parenting down (long history of that tbh). Anyway, all her baby weight fell off when she was more steady on her feet ( which is what I predicted) but she has come back from holidays with him looking heavier so I weighed her and she had gained. I only knew what she was before this because the school health visiting service had weighed all the kids before they broke up for summer.
I dont usually weigh her and i certainly never mentioned it to her when I did, she didnt even understand what she was standing on!
I guess a part of me is also nervous that if she becomes overweight, I will come under huge pressure from her dad again ( it was a very unpleasant time). He has a thing about fat people and wouldnt tolerate dd being fat, so I would be more worried about the knock on effect for her. Dont get me wrong, he would not be cruel to her, but I dont think he would pay too much attention to her self esteem on these matters.Sad

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Feckbox · 26/09/2012 20:58

I'm a lone voice here but I don't think your daughter's lunch is too small at all!
That's about what my kids eat and they are older. If I give them any more part of it comes home uneaten. I guess you won't know unless you give her a bit more.

The after school unlimited breadsticks and banana bread from the CM can't be good, surely?

AnxiousElephant · 26/09/2012 21:11

My to do list would be
Ask the childminder to give egg with toast, instead of multiple cereal and then fruit/ yog if still hungry.
Up the sandwiches.
Stick to water with meals and at school.
Milk for bed.
Afternoon snack - limited to = 1 round of toast/ piece of fruit/ 1 slice of banana/ malt loaf.
Reasonable early tea 430-530 ish.
Fruit after tea if she has eaten it.
I tend to say 'have you finished?' and if she says yes just remove the food straight to the bin. Nothing until morning. This way it is always consistent, she knows she gets nothing and will feel hungry. She will learn that she needs to eat her dinner Smile

andruafer · 26/09/2012 22:20

Thanks again for the suggestions

I wont ask her to leave the table if she doesnt eat....and will leave the breakfast issue alone. I will definitely however tackle the unlimited snacks with the cm. One slice of banana or malt loaf is more than enough.

With regards to her lunch, I gave her an extra half sandwich this morn and she ate it, so perhaps she is def hungry? Will assess it as I go along.
Thanks to all x

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DameKewcumber · 26/09/2012 22:39

"your CM is nuts thinking it's ok for kids to eat unlimited banana bread and breadsticks between school and teatime. " and your dentist will be very unhappy with you - grazing is not good for your teeth. Three meals two snacks a day (a juice drink counts in the snack so no juice on top of three neaks 2 snacks).

Don;t reward with food (as others have said) - give her a sticker for a stick chart of tell her she can have a comic/lego figure whatever when she gets to 5/10 whatever you choose.

"Treats" should only bought out at a shop - the walk tehre and back will determine how much she wants one or how much you want her to have one!

When she asks suspiciously whether a meal is healthy - ask her what she means by healthy.

Explain that all food gives you fuel to keep active and some foods have extra things we need to survive like calcium and vitamins. Stop calling food healthy, talk about chocolate as having "a lot of sugar in it" or crisps as having "a lot of fat in it" so we can't eat too much of it as it will make us sick.

Try to put a stop to the whining at mealtimes "this is all there is, you may eat it or not but I do not want to hear you whine" then change the subject to something she can engage with too.

Lets also not engage too much with teh Prader-Willi or emotional eating theories which of course is possible those highly unlikely in teh circumstances. She probably overeats for the same reason that many of us overeat - because it tastes nice. Fat and sugar are a heady combination.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/09/2012 22:53

I'm just going to repeat what everyone else has said.

Stop buying chocolate/sweets/biscuits
If you are having one of the above then share your portion with her but not as a treat
Dd eats what you eat. She can leave it or not leave it her choice.
If she leaves it, no other options until next meal/snack time.
Don't have puddings
Try and calculate portions so you simply haven't made enough for her to have several huge portions.

What is she like when she goes to friends houses?

andruafer · 26/09/2012 23:17

When she does to friends houses she is loads better with the dinners, ie will eat fish pie etc, but will still then hover around the mum for more of whichever pudding has been handed out. If snacks have been put out for mums, she wants those as well- she simply never ever gets full when it comes to crap food. It's embarrasing- she won't ever say she has had enough, will even eat her what her friends don't wantAngry

Kew- great post. Thanks. I stressed all night that dd might have underlying emotional probs or prada willi, but rationally I think she has just made some very negative associations with food and I need to break that.

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