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Mummy and little boys bathing together......?

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Meanoldmummy · 14/01/2006 14:14

I've always enjoyed having my babies in the bath with me, ever since DS1 was born. I bath every day and it just seemed the right thing to do, as well as being fun and lovely. However DS1 is 3 now and I've sort of stopped doing it lately and started putting them in together without me... I suppose I'm worried that it might be "inappropriate" for a three year old boy to be in the bath with his naked mother, especially now that he asks questions about body parts etc (which I have always tried to answer frankly and without embarrassment)... I feel that DS2 (16mths) is missing out on the lovely intimate bathtimes with Mummy that his brother had, and I miss having them in with me too. Any thoughts? Is it perfectly natural or is it bordering on child abuse? I'm very confused.

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jalopy · 14/01/2006 18:43

Shock Shock Shock

MrsDoolittle · 14/01/2006 18:48

I don't understand the shock there jalopy.

Meanoldmummy · 14/01/2006 19:05

jalopy??

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stinkweasel · 14/01/2006 19:09

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TeddyRobinson · 14/01/2006 19:13

I don't bath with mine but there are 3 of them and they fit in the bath nicely together. When I have a bath I want to relax - I usually shower.

Dh and I both shower with the bathroom door open though and the kids just wander in and chat to us so they are quite used to seeing bodies.

Aloha · 14/01/2006 19:20

ibath all the tome with ds who is 4.4. child abuse!

PeachyClair · 14/01/2006 19:20

My three bath together too, again a size issue BUT I have no problems with them wandering in when I'm on the loo (far better than them trying to smack the door in. This isn't an issue, it's just a sad example of parenting-police induced paranoia and frankly, if anyone sees a problem with I'd have to question how their mind works! And fyi my eldest turned 6 last month, they're all ds's.

Sadly though the loveliest photo we have of DS1 as a baby is in the bath cuddled up to DH, bt DH was asked to take it off the mantlepiece (chest up only I promise!!!) by a visitor who though it inappropritae. Been in a drawer ever since and I miss it.

Aloha · 14/01/2006 19:22

sorry for typing - breastfeeding.

fisil · 14/01/2006 19:26

DP and I both bath with our boys. DS1 turned 3 this week and asks lots of questions (that reminds me, must start a thread about the "Mummy's red poos" thing that's been going on the past couple of weeks). His questions about anatomy in the bath is a good thing, I think. Like you we answer frankly and without embarassment and so he learns these as simple facts, just like facts such as cars have wheels. Right, off to start my red poo thread.

Meanoldmummy · 14/01/2006 19:33

Aloha - it's not me who thinks child abuse!! It's just that I've had some really off-beam reactions to things like bathing naked with little boys and dads being naked around their girls, and it makes me nervous - we live in increasingly suspicious and intolerant times. I think it's tragic but I just wanted feedback...it's a bit pathetic of me really, but I think that's one of the ways in which mumsnet has been really useful to me - this amount of reinforcement from so many different mums gives me the confidence to carry on doing what feels right despite the odd funny reaction. NOT that I go around shouting about our private business all the time, but things come up in conversation!!!

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JennyLee · 14/01/2006 19:35

I stoped when ds could not stop giggling and finding it hilarious. he was a pre-schooler

JennyLee · 14/01/2006 19:36

Have recently started to lock the bathroom now that he is 6 as he likes to come in when i am in the bath and settle down on the toliet for a massive poo, which I found less than relaxing

tegan · 14/01/2006 19:52

I am reading this thread and starting to worry that we are doing things wrong. In our house we all walk around naked at bath time. DD1 is 7.9 yrs and sees her dad's bits all the time. She doesn't bath with him but she does with me sometimes. DD2 (20 months) baths with everyone. Should we be changing the way we do things??

MrsDoolittle · 14/01/2006 19:59

PeachyClair - the photo. That is sad Don't put it away.

twirlaround · 14/01/2006 20:07

dd age 6 gets in the bath with me

Maddison · 14/01/2006 20:19

I used to always have a bath with DS1 (almost 5), we always played with his bath time dinosaurs. When I was pg with DS2 he used to say that my boobies and my bump were mountains. These baths dwindled a bit when, after DS2 was born, he said I still had 3 mountains...

I still like to have a bath with him occasionally but I've never had a bath with DS2 yet (he's only 8 months so I've got plenty time). These baths will stop when the DS's don't want to anymore.

WideWebWitch · 14/01/2006 20:22

Peachclair, I'd have left the photo up too, wtf is it to do with them? Honestly, the hysteria (not here) around this is just mad. Tegan, keep doing whatever you want to do, really.

PeachyClair · 14/01/2006 20:35

TBH I'd have left the piccy up, but DH was upset at what the visitor was hinting at and ended up feeling very uncomfortable indeed [sad, don't think he bathed with any of then after that- which would mean never with ds 2 and 3.

NotQuiteCockney · 14/01/2006 20:47

My DSes are 15 months and 4y3m. I never bathe with them.

Well, ok, that's because the only bath we have is a baby bath, and it's tight enough with the two of them (plus sometimes a friend) in there!

pooka · 14/01/2006 21:04

DH and I take it in turns to have a bath with dd each evening, she's 2.5. It honestly hadn't occurred to me to think when to stop. I suppose when ds (4 months) is sitting and capable of holding his own in the big bath, they'll bathe together, but it'd be a sname I think not to occasionally be able to all leap in together. Maybe when we get a new bathroom with a super big bath then we can all share. I was always as a child incredibly envious of the imperal leather family who had a massive bathroom (on a train?) with their own baths but all together IYSWIM.

Medea · 14/01/2006 21:21

This thread is incredibly reassuring and well timed, meanoldmummy, and I don't think you should feel silly at all for asking the question because I gather it's something that people have wildly differing reactions to, so I think it's totally fair that you'd want to know if it's OK. If you're interested, here's what just happened to me. . .

I've been bathing with my kids since they were babies. . .not regularly, but, say, once a week. They're now 6 and 3. I honestly don't even think about it it seems so natural. . .the kids just play with their toys and we have a chat & they don't even seem to pay any attention to my nakedness because they're so used to it! Dh is often there too, not in the bath, but ready to take the kids out of the bath and dry them off--so he, too, finds it very natural that I do this. Well, I had an upsetting conversation with my mom in America last week when I was there visiting. She pointed out how odd it is that my kids eat butter on their sandwiches (not so much the done thing in the US) and I said that was an English/European thing. She then asked, sternly & accusingly, "Is it also an English/European thing to bathe with your children?" I guess she noticed that I'd had a bath with the kids that morning, as I'd had no time to have one on my own, as my mom is not the type to offer to take the kids for 5 mins so I can bathe. I said, I'm not sure it's necessarily a European thing, but it may be a generational thing. . .more common among my generation of mums. She said, "Well, it was a big no-no in my generation, so I think you'd better ask a psychiatrist what the thinking is now, because you may be doing damage!"

So I phoned a psychiatrist I'd worked with (in the US) and his response was not as reassuring as I'd hoped. He said that it's very much one of those things that varies from culture to culture, but that he's not a big fan of opposite sex parent-child bathing after the age of 4 or 5, so he recommended that I phase it out as my son is now 6. He says that sexual curiosity starts around then, and that kids pick up more than we realize, and it's just not worth the riskeven if it's a minimal riskof giving your child the sense that a boundary has been crossed. He said it's highly unlikley that bathing with me has damaged him in any way to date, but that it's not impossible that it could have a confusing effect on him at some time in the near future, so he recommended that I stop it.

I have been feeling almost ill with guilt since having that conversation, so it's incredibly reassuring to hear that so many other mumsmums on here that I really respectalso bathe with their sons. Dh has repeatedly reassured me that I've done nothing wrong, and that the psychiatrist's opinion doesn't take into account the individualtiy of our kids and what our kids are used to. I know he's right, but I do feel less easy about the whole thing after my trip to the US! But of course everything is "bad" in America.

Upshot is I'm probably going to phase the group bathing out, but I do feel sad about it, particularly about the implication that there's anything wrong with it at all. (Sorry for the long post!)

NotQuiteCockney · 14/01/2006 21:37

I really think that adults should only have to stop doing this when the kids become uncomfortable with it. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with not bathing with your kids, but I totally don't get how bathing naturally with your kids crosses any boundary at all.

Aloha · 14/01/2006 21:45

He's only a psychiatrist. Most of them are absolutely barking! In countries all over the world people go around naked or nearly naked all the time. Do you think that all their kids grow up fantasing about their mothers? I honestly think that says more about him than you.
Psychiatrists! Pshaw! Freud - what a deluded loon! Penis envy! Vaginal not immature clitoral orgasms! What a crap old loon he really was. Pah!
(sorry had more than one glass of wine and this really does annoy me. You are lovely. Your children are fine. He is rubbish.)

harpsichordcarrier · 14/01/2006 21:51

oh medea I am so sorry that you feel guilty and that you got such utterly bullshit advice from a professional
I agree with Aloha
it's balls
as Franny says it is a confusion between nakedness and sexuality
which says lots about the hangups of American society and absolutely nothing about your own family situation
I agree with others who say that the right time to stop is when your children want to

hannahsaunt · 14/01/2006 22:00

I dont' bathe with them but only because baths are me time once they're in bed and I can lie back with a glass of wine and a book. But I can't remember the last time I had a shower by myself. Frankly it's a very easy way to get them washed and polished in the morning without any fuss. They are very unfazed by nakedness which I think is a good thing; means they are less likely to make comments in changing rooms etc (and they can be very pass remarkable!). They are 3 and 5 (both boys). It'll stop when we go home but only because you can't fit three people into our UK shower but they will still bath together and they will still see us naked pre and post showers etc. They do know that it's inappropriate to disturb guests who are in a state of undress which is helpful.