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If your DS/DD had gone swimming with friends --- and one of them had held your DS/DD head under the water so they couldn't breathe .......

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RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 13:26

If your DS/DD had gone swimming with friends --- and one of them had held your DS/DD head under the water so they couldn't breathe .........

What would you do when they came home to tell you?

DS is 10 years old and went to a swimming party on Saturday

There were 10 children all class 6 {some 11 years old}

The parents didn't sit near the pool but were in a cafe on the balcony

but the pool did have lifeguards it was a public pool and so had other children as well

Anway, DS had been playing with 2 friends and had tickled one of them {drew} - which had irritated him

And then drew swam away and ds played with greg

ds and greg swam in differnet directions

then greg and drew were splashing togehter and ds swam up to them and greg swam away

AND THEN DREW GOT HOLD OF DS AND HELD ONTO HIS HEAD {drew is quite alot taller and bigger than ds} AND PUSHED HIS HEAD UNDER THE WATER AND HELD IT THERE

DS COULDN'T BREATHE AND WAS STRUGGLING TO GET OUT OF THE HEADLOCK {drew could touch the bottom of the pool easily but ds could only just touch the bottom}

EVENTUALLY DS GOT AWAY AND WENT TO THE SIDE OF THE POOL WHERE 3 OF THE GIRLS WERE AND HE WAS COUGHING AND SPLUTTERING AND THEY COMFORTATED HIM {but they had not seen what had haoppened and he didn't want to tell on drew}

SO ANYWAY HE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE AND DREW WOULDN'T APOLOGISE COS HE SAID DS WAS ANNOYING HIM - WHICH DS ADMITS HE WAS TICKLING HIM

BUT IMHO TICKLING AND HOLDING SOMEONE'S HEAD UNDER THE WATER ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT

So ds comes home and won't tell us what has happened and in the end we get him to write it down - he is so upset and then tells us the whole story.

I phone greg mum to ask if he saw what drew did and he didn't.

The next day DH rings drews dad to tell him and to say that DS wants drew to apolodise

so on monday drew doesn't apologise, yesterday ds had his exams and is back to school today

DO YOU THINK WE DID THE RIGHT THING IN TELLING DREWS DAD ???

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE ??

WOULD YOU BE ANNOYED THAT THE PARENTS WERE IN THE CAFE NOT NEAR THE POOL ???

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Polgara2 · 11/01/2006 14:39

My first reaction on reading your thread title was OMG how could that happen!! As in why was no one supervising? OK so the lifeguards should have been watching, if you book pool party especially so, but also so should the parents. If you are having a party and have other children there without parents they are your responsibility. You can't leave anything to chance, childrens lives are too precious. I agree that by this age they SHOULD know it was wrong BUT they're still children and don't have the same reasoning as adults. SO THE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE! You were definitely right to involved Drew's parents and I would expect something to come of it. I feel for your DS and hope it doesn't put him off swimming.

nzshar · 11/01/2006 14:40

I also think that you did the right thing by phoning the dad, but i would not have insisted on an apology.
I dont think that it was wrong for the parents to be sitting in the cafe. Someone said earlier that boys this age can be lead into trouble by one another if not watched over etc. This type of mentality unfortunately continues well into their 20's with a lot of them. By the age of 10/11 there should be some sense of responsibilty hence the speaking to the dad was the right thing to do IMO.

Stilltrue · 11/01/2006 15:00

As an aside on the supervision issue; last summer I had a pool party for one of my sons. There were about 9 or 10 children (aged between 10 and 12) in a small wave machine area of a bigger pool. no other children in the area, so not too hard to do a headcount of all the guests. I had 2 lifeguards and stayed by the poolside myself too. I wouldn't have dreamed of going off to the cafe!

tensing · 11/01/2006 15:02

Personally I would be furious, And I know you will all hate me for this I would almost certainly report it to the police, this child is dangerous, a 10 year old is more than older enough to know that this is wrong and dangerous, hence the reason a ten year old can be arrested and sentenced to a "prison" sentence.

getbakainyourjimjams · 11/01/2006 15:27

I don;t think the police would take it very seriously.

SoupDragon · 11/01/2006 15:33

Police??!!

FrumpyGrumpy · 11/01/2006 15:43

I'd be mad as hell with the flimsy supervision and horribly upset for ds. Given that your ds was so upset he had to write it down, I definitely think drew needs to understand the seriousness of the situation as do his parents. Its a warning about pool parties for us all. Good luck.

bosscat · 11/01/2006 16:24

I have to second that...police?? come on! he wasn't committing a criminal offence for goodness sake he was dunking him under the water. He needs to be told how dangerous that is in no uncertain terms of course, but the police?

bosscat · 11/01/2006 16:26

oh and 12-17 is the age when you can first get a detention and training order, 18-21 is young offender institution and 21 plus prison. so no, a 10 year old can't get a prison sentence.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 11/01/2006 16:52

I echo SoupDragon....

RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 17:53

We do feel really guilty that we didn't go along with DS but none of the guests parents went

But if he ever goes to another pool party - which a really doubt either DH or I will be going too

DH did ask about going to drive them to the party but was told there was no need as they had enough seatbelts etc. and adults {3 adults}

We dropped and collected from the birthday girls house NOT POOL.

We never imagined they would not be sitting next to the pool.

We were told beforehand by other parents that this pool had a good reputation with the lifeguards being vigulant ie blowing whistles etc. I DON'T THINK IT DOES NOW.IMHO

I think it wasn't a pool party as such in that the parents were responsible rather than the children going to an organised pool party run by the pool.

I think they just paid the entrance fee for them iyswim.

We both feel really guilty that we let him go alone - but also knowing that you can't keep them babies for ever iyswim

Derw is a very grown up boy he is the oldest in the class - but I don't think we would take it to the police

I think he wanted to teach DS a lesson or to frighten him

I don't think he wanted to drown him

BUT IT WAS LONGER THAN A QUICK DUNK GIVEN THE REACTION OF DS AND HOW FRIGHTENED HE WAS ETC.

I don't think he has apologized to DS, he has gone out now with DH

I just hope that the drews dad spoke to him

All the children can swim although the birthday girl is by far the best swimmer in the class

I am glad you guys don't think we over-reacted by ringing drew's parents

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tensing · 11/01/2006 17:58

Holding a child's head under water is assult, and so is a criminal offence

RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:01

but how would we prove it

none of the other children saw what happened greg had swum away and the girls weren't watching just saw DS afterwards coughing and spluttering trying to catch his breath

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SoupDragon · 11/01/2006 18:06

Oh come on... you're not seriously saying that this is a police matter??!

RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:08

I don't think they would really take any notice of us SD

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RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:09

Also I don't think DS would want to take it any further and would be upset all over again

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RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:10

He just will not be going to any more swimming parties without proper supervision

BUT what do we do as he gets older and wants to go with his friends

????????

Crumbs parenthood doesn't get any easier as they get older does it?

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SoupDragon · 11/01/2006 18:11

Quite rightly IMO. (although I'm mainly incredulous at tensing for thinking it in the first place)

I'm not saying it couldn't have had serious consequences but it's not a police matter. Is it? It was "just" utterly irresponsible horseplay in the manner of young boys wasn't it?

Sorry, I'm just amazed that anyone would think it a police matter.

SoupDragon · 11/01/2006 18:12

I would hope that (if Drew gets the right talk about appropriate behaviour in and around water) that they have learnt their lesson.

I think you'd have to trust them to behave if the went again (although maybe not alone for a year or so ) I can't remember when we first went swimming alone. Secondary school I think.

Radley · 11/01/2006 18:13

I don't want to come across as too harsh, but, what happens if Drew goes to the swimming pool another time and a younger child who is there with someone else annoys him, if he does it to someone smaller he may actually dunk him for too long iykwim

I would ring the police and get a crime no and get it noted, you'd never forgive yourself if you didn't do something and it did happen.

RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:16

I grew up next to the beach so we went to the beach by 10 years old {top juniors}

They go to secondary this september so really soon -- help!!!!

It is such a fine line between keeping them as babies and letting grow up.

It is the what ifs that are worrying me

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SoupDragon · 11/01/2006 18:19

I guess you wait for it to come up, maybe tell him "well, I'm coming to watch to make sure you (*) can behave sensibly before I'll let you go alone" and surreptitiously watch from a viewing area so as not to embarrass him too much... ?

  • "you" being all who are going
RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:21

It is the holding them underwater that worries me

I mean if he had done it until DS had stopped struggling to come up for air

would he have thought:

A} YES I am stronger than him

B} or would he have realised that DS was really drowning and it was too late

That is what I can't get my head around

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RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:23

SD we could always use the excuse of not being worth driving home so we may as well wait at the pool complex

good idea

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RTKangaMummy · 11/01/2006 18:25

maybe DH could mention it to the school and that they may be able to do something in PSHCE about safety in pools etc.

without mentioning names etc it could be done in a lesson situation

IMHO I think that would work quite well

then all the class could learn about it

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