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Why does my 6.5yo DD1 dislike praise/compliments?

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franch · 14/10/2010 10:04

Not that I want her to become a praise junkie or anything, but nor do I want her to be one of those girls who, when they receive 99 positive comments and 1 negative one, it's only the latter that they hear.

Examples: when I told her that her class teacher had described her as 'incredible', she immediately changed the subject and talked about another girl, saying ' Sarah's incredible - she knows all her times tables up to 100!'

We were talking about friendships and I suggested that other girls like her because she takes such an interest in them and she's very kind. She squirmed and said 'Stop talking about that!'

Often if we praise her for something (kindness, ability, whatever), she'll say ' Everyone's mum/dad thinks their child is the best' - extraordinary cynicism for a 6yo, I think?

She's an extremely bright, strikingly beautiful and touchingly kind girl, but I do worry about her confidence at times.

Any insights?

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MadameSin · 14/10/2010 10:07

Sounds like a self-esteem issue ... can't imagine why she wouldn't lap it up otherwise

franch · 14/10/2010 10:11

But you'd think all the praise would be boosting her self-esteem? I feel a bit crap for not being able to see where any low self-esteem is coming from :(

I know she feels loved at home.

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franch · 14/10/2010 11:27

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franch · 14/10/2010 11:46

Ah, this thread is interesting, though a little complex - I'd find it very hard not to praise her at all ...

I have the 'How To Talk' book and the Alfie Kohn one, so will have a look at them ...

God, I feel like I need a PhD in psychology.

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TethHearseEnd · 14/10/2010 12:05

Praise and run.

Quite often, children have no idea how to react to praise, rather than not enjoying it.

Compliment her on doing something and walk off. Or leave her little notes around the house. Sometimes talking through toys works (teddy thinks you are very kind...).

Don't assume that the praise isn't sinking in. Keep doing it, and make it as specific as possible- "I like the way you did x because y".

franch · 14/10/2010 12:07

Thanks THE, that's helpful.

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cory · 14/10/2010 12:12

My ds is exatly the same: low self esteem. What he hears is not "my Mum thinks I did well" but "my Mum is making a special effort to cheer me up because she knows I'm crap at things". So the more I praise, the more he thinks I feel sorry for him. More praise=less self esteem.

Dd otoh, who has good self esteem, takes praise at face value. In her case, more praise=more self esteem.

headinhands · 14/10/2010 12:18

My dd, 7, is like this. She is quite shy though so I think it's about shying away from being the focus of attention. It's probably just her nature and I think most socially healthy adults can be like this. I agree, probably best to not make a direct issue of it. Maybe you can reinforce on the sly how to accept compliments by getting your partner, or other family member to give lots of compliments and vice versa so she can see clearly how it's okay to just say 'thank you'.

franch · 14/10/2010 12:19

Yes my DD2 is more like your DD, cory - she just beams when I praise her, and really believes it.

And of course treating them differently makes things even more complex!!!

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Ealingkate · 14/10/2010 12:22

You have to read nutureshock by Po Bronson is £8.44 on amazon or just pop to the library. There is one chapter in particular that talks solely about praise and the aspects of it that can be completely counter-productive. Also this article is worth a read, some of the other stuff on the website is great too, although sometimes goes a bit too tree hugging for me!!

Ealingkate · 14/10/2010 12:25

I don't think the link to the article is working, you can trywww.naturalchild.org and then look in the articles section for gentle guidance and the article called the poisoned carrot

mrsruffallo · 14/10/2010 12:26

My 7 yr old dd is the same. When friends came to visit recently she said,'I 'm going to show you a dance but I don't want the mums to go oh, wow, that's amazing'
This is very typical of her. Even if I cuddle her and tell her she is amazing she says 'I know' and squirms out of my arms.
I didn't consider low self esteem until I read this thread though!
DC2 is different, he loves praise and beams and believes every word of it.

JamieLeeCurtis · 14/10/2010 12:26

thanks for this thread. DS1 is similar to your children. Some helpful stuff here.

franch · 14/10/2010 12:27

Thanks kate - can't get your link to work though?

I do understand about the negative side to excessive praise, rewards etc but I can't help worrying that my urge to show my genuine appreciation of my child is a natural maternal instinct, which I'm loath to suppress. I can learn to express my admiration in other ways but only if I don't feel fake.

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JamieLeeCurtis · 14/10/2010 12:32

My ds is exatly the same: low self esteem. What he hears is not "my Mum thinks I did well" but "my Mum is making a special effort to cheer me up because she knows I'm crap at things". So the more I praise, the more he thinks I feel sorry for him. More praise=less self esteem.

cory - that's what is going on with my DS, to, I think ...

franch · 14/10/2010 12:33

Ah yes, kate - the poisoned carrot. I don't think we do manipulative praise, I really don't. We're big fans of Unconditional Parenting (though in general we recoil a bit from parenting books and 'experts').

That article does say that not all praise is harmful though, and this is quite useful:

*Focus the child on his/her own pleasure at achieving.
Instead of lavishing children with congratulations, it's better if they focus internally on the pleasure they derive from accomplishment. Children are naturally thirsty to achieve, learn and conquer. They are born with an insatiable zest for mastery, and each new attainment fills them with delight. It is this self-enjoyment which provides the greatest fuel for perseverance and further learning. When you see your child do something new, it can be wonderfully encouraging and supportive to say: "you look like you enjoyed that!", or: how did it feel to do that?". "I'm glad you did that, you look happy with yourself!".

*Help him/her to self-evaluate.
Whenever possible, it is a good idea to ask your child about their own self-evaluation. For instance: "how do you like your drawing?", "are you happy with how that piece fits into the puzzle?".

*Ask them about their inner experiences.
Say, for instance, your child reads you a story he just composed. After sharing how the story made you feel, you could ask: "How do you feel about the story you wrote?", "How did it feel to write it?", "Did you enjoy telling it?", "How did you come up with those ideas for your story?". There are few things so nourishing to your child's self-esteem, and so enriching to your relationship with him, than your interest in his inner world of feeling and imagination.

*Use "I" statements, instead of labeling the child.
Your appreciation touches your child more deeply when it is expressed in terms of your feelings. For instance: "I like the colors you chose!", or "I love how you sang that song!" - instead of: "what a good drawer you are!", or "gee you're a good singer". Avoid labeling statements like: "Good boy for sharing your toys!". Say instead: "thanks for sharing with your friend, that felt good to him - and to me". Focus on your feelings, not on a moral or quality-oriented label. An "I" statement keeps you from holding a position of power over your child. It creates an honest and fulfilling connection between you while not interfering with their experience of themselves.

*Comment on the behavior, not on the person.
Feedback and acknowledgment are definitely important. Imagine your child has just played you a new piece she has learned on the piano. Instead of saying: "What a good player you are!", you could tell her how much you enjoyed the piece. Better still, be specific. Tell her what in particular you liked about her playing (e.g. the passion or emotion, the beautiful melody, how carefully she played, her sense of rhythm, etc.)

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mrsruffallo · 14/10/2010 12:43

I was just musing on this and I don't know if it is low self esteem, not in DD's case anyway. I think personality wise she doesn't like a big fuss to be made of her. She prefers quiet sincere one to one conversations.

franch · 14/10/2010 12:46

Thanks Shineon.

I think my DD1 is like your DD, mrsruffallo, in that she prefers those quiet sincere one to ones - but if I stray into appreciation during one of those, I'm still in trouble!!

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mrsruffallo · 14/10/2010 12:57

I think sometimes you have to trick them into it franch Grin
For example, I will say to my daughter,
'well, if that happened to me I would have done XYZ'(something your child has done)
They'll think for a while and then say 'Oh, that's what I did!'
And you say 'Really?'with an impressed smile.

Mathods like that seem to work with my dd(whereas ds wouldn't shy away from fanfares and rapturous applause Grin)

mrsruffallo · 14/10/2010 12:57

Methods

franch · 14/10/2010 13:50

Yes I think you're right MrsR.

I've just re-read the chapter on praise in the 'How to Talk' book and it's really helpful.

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cestlavie · 14/10/2010 13:56

Interesting how people seem to think it's low self esteem. Personally, I've got reasonably high self esteem but have always found it hard taking compliments.

Not sure why, but maybe because it's a little embarrassing being openly flattered, or maybe because I don't know what to say -

"You're really good at that"

"Yes, I am aren't I?"

Because I've never know what to say so tend to downplay them with similar comments to your daughter like "yes, well, it's not that hard really" or "it's just experience". I'd say from my friends that I'm certainly not unique in this. I think the British as a whole aren't too good at accepting compliments... "I say old chap, brave on having your legs blown off, what"... "Ah, 'tis just a flesh wound, old fellow"

BridesheadRegardless · 14/10/2010 14:03

Yes I'm not so sure it's just self esteem.

Lots of children, like my DS2, can take compliments and unabashedly agree they are fantastic.

My DS1 can't and squirms.

But I think part of this is that he is a much more self aware sensitive child who understands why I'm saying things and can see the focus is on him and his reaction and it all feels 'too much' for him, too intense. If a child feels emoptions very deeply they will actually shy away from big shows of emotion.

My DS2 though he a happy go lucky obvious liitle chap who thinks he's fantastic even when he's not and doens't worry for a second about what others are thinking or wanting from him. This does make him easier in some ways, but both ways of being have their strengths.

I think praise and run is a good idea as takes the intensity out of it.

franch · 14/10/2010 14:06

Thanks cestlavie and BR - all true!

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