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How would you pronounce Zana ?

438 replies

RoseApp · 18/09/2024 18:38

My friend assumed people would pronounce her child’s name Zana like Zah-nah as in Suzanna but several people have pronounced it as Zar-na

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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:19

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:18

How bizarre, on tv show I watch a particular character is called Lana it’s pronounced Larna and my friend is called Jana and she pronounces it Jarna.

Guess different pronunciations. I’ve never heard then pronounced any other way personally.

Oh and we also pronounce it ‘Barth’ and grarss’. Just like most people do where I live.

Languages and accents are complex, and the English language has a lot of silent letters and words which are spelled the same but pronounced differently.

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Why are people adding an r that isn't there?

Monkeysatonthewall · 18/09/2024 20:20

I would pronounce the way parents expected.

Really strange to see that people would pronounce an 'r' even though there isn't one... Wondering if it's a regional thing?

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:20

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:19

Why are people adding an r that isn't there?

Because that's how we pronounce it down South.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:20

Jasperj · 18/09/2024 20:12

Surely people were just trying to emphasise the extended ahh sound. Does it really matter if everyone isn’t an expert in how to clearly convey something phonetically?

Extended a isn't ar.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:21

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:20

Because that's how we pronounce it down South.

Do you add or remove letters randomly or just r?

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:22

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:19

Why are people adding an r that isn't there?

Because that’s our accent. It’s quite common?

Do you pronounce rough and dough the same? The English language is more complex than ‘but there’s no r in it’.

I’m not sure if you’re rude or just ignorant.

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:23

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:21

Do you add or remove letters randomly or just r?

It's not the letter, it's the sound. People are just using the r to make it clear what sound they're using.

napody · 18/09/2024 20:23

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:19

Why are people adding an r that isn't there?

In non rhotic accents we don't actually say the r separately. We just say a long 'aaa' sound. Like at the doctors when you're a kid- 'say aaaaah'!

People using their own versions of phonetic spellings has created a load of confusion on this thread, so to increase it, I'd say Zaaahna 😂

Monkeysatonthewall · 18/09/2024 20:23

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:20

Because that's how we pronounce it down South.

Ahh that makes sense.
Where I am, it would never be pronounced with an R so I was confused.

AgileGreenSeal · 18/09/2024 20:23

ShillyShallySherbet · 18/09/2024 20:12

I pronounce the words bath, grass and castle as if there is an ‘r’ in it, even though I know there isn’t. I know others don’t but it doesn’t make me wrong and them right, it’s just different dialects.

Similarly I would pronounce Zana as if there were an ‘r’ in it even though there isn’t. I’m intrigued how people are pronouncing zah-na because to my ear that would sound like ‘Zarna’ too.

What is your accent? It sounds really intriguing to me, I can’t even imagine how you get an “R” sound in those words.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:24

napody · 18/09/2024 20:23

In non rhotic accents we don't actually say the r separately. We just say a long 'aaa' sound. Like at the doctors when you're a kid- 'say aaaaah'!

People using their own versions of phonetic spellings has created a load of confusion on this thread, so to increase it, I'd say Zaaahna 😂

This is a better description possibly than adding the ‘r’ to the spelling!

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:25

AgileGreenSeal · 18/09/2024 20:23

What is your accent? It sounds really intriguing to me, I can’t even imagine how you get an “R” sound in those words.

I'm in London and everybody speaks this way here.

timeforanewmoniker · 18/09/2024 20:25

The best one is when you ask people whether "put" and "but" rhyme, because for northerners they always rhyme and for southerners they don't. Ask a southerner to pronounce them to a northener and watch the complete look of shock as they can hear it's different but can't make them not-rhyme themselves.

CanYouHearThatNoise · 18/09/2024 20:25

Zay-na

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:25

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:22

Because that’s our accent. It’s quite common?

Do you pronounce rough and dough the same? The English language is more complex than ‘but there’s no r in it’.

I’m not sure if you’re rude or just ignorant.

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I'm neither rude nor ignorant, thanks.
Following pronunciation rules, as in your 'ough' example, isn't the same as adding random letters and altering pronunciation.
There's no reason to add an r sound.

napody · 18/09/2024 20:25

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:24

This is a better description possibly than adding the ‘r’ to the spelling!

Yes I should have led with that!

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 20:26

@rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou

I am guessing that you, like me, have what is called a “rhotic accent”. Think Scottish, West Country, American or Northern Irish.

When we see a word with an “r” in it, our voices make a rolled “r” sound.

Think about how you say “car”, “door” or “margin”.

Lots and lots of English speakers, especially those from the South of England, are physically incapable of making a rolled “r” sound. They are called non-rhotic speakers. However, the presence of an “r” in a word does signal to them that they should lengthen the vowel that precedes it. That is why the “a” in “tar” has a much longer sound when spoken by a non-rhotic speaker than when they say the word “ta” (slang for thank-you).

For this reason,non- rhotic speakers tend to forget that “r” isn’t just a silent letter that tells them to elongate a vowel. They forget that rhotic speakers will make a rolled “r” sound. So they use it to indicate a long vowel in written English, hence its use to illustrate the classic North/South argument about whether to pronounce the word “bath” with a long or short vowel. They write “barth” to illustrate the long vowel, whereas something like “baath” or “bahth” might be more universal.

Hence “girarffe” is giraffe with a long “a” sound.

While I understand the frustration amongst fellow rhotic speakers of the way we speak being completely forgotten about, it’s pretty obvious that non-rhotics are not suggesting a rolled “r” sound be added. They literally can’t say them!

Hope that clarifies.

notatinydancer · 18/09/2024 20:26

Zar Na.
If she wanted like Suzanna , I would spell
It Zanna.

Gowlett · 18/09/2024 20:26

Zah-nah

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 20:26

OK, here we go...

People with rhotic accents pronounce the r in words that contain an r. Like farm.

People with non-rhotic accents do not. So they pronounce farm as 'fahm'. However, because they are used to pronouncing the 'ar' sound as 'ah', they often use 'ar' when they mean 'ah' when writing words out phonetically.

A non-rhotic speaker would often therefore write 'Lar-na' when they are trying to convey the 'Lah-na' pronunciation.

The End (hopefully) of this tedious debate which happens too often on Baby Names!!

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:26

napody · 18/09/2024 20:23

In non rhotic accents we don't actually say the r separately. We just say a long 'aaa' sound. Like at the doctors when you're a kid- 'say aaaaah'!

People using their own versions of phonetic spellings has created a load of confusion on this thread, so to increase it, I'd say Zaaahna 😂

Some folk are saying they actually pronounce an r sound though.
I can understand the extended a.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:27

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:23

It's not the letter, it's the sound. People are just using the r to make it clear what sound they're using.

R is an r sound.
There is no r in the word.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:27

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:25

I'm neither rude nor ignorant, thanks.
Following pronunciation rules, as in your 'ough' example, isn't the same as adding random letters and altering pronunciation.
There's no reason to add an r sound.

Well you are, you’re questioning other people’s accents? It’s the way we speak, it’s very common in the south of the U.K. if you turn on the news here that is how the presenters will speak.

Lots of words in the English language can be spelt a certain way but said another. Silent letters, words spelt the same but sounding different. It’s really common.

And rough and dough are a perfect example of that. The pronunciation differs without there being any extra letters. For us, bath is said as though it sounds like it has an r in it even though it doesn’t.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 20:29

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 20:26

Some folk are saying they actually pronounce an r sound though.
I can understand the extended a.

Because it’s pronounced like ‘are’ not ahhhh. So people are using an ‘r’ to try and explain this.

Don’t would be pronounced Z-are-na

Jasperj · 18/09/2024 20:29

This derail is tedious and pedantic. 🙄 As if a bunch of Mumsnetters are NOT going to have many interpretations or versions of phonetic spelling. Time to unwatch.

I still think Zay-na OP. 😂