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Rioghán

108 replies

Babyboyno2 · 05/09/2024 14:31

Got this into my top 3. Just curious of how people would pronounce it, is it “REE-ON”

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xyz111 · 06/09/2024 07:03

I'd have no idea how to pronounce that

Taytocrisps · 06/09/2024 07:08

I'm Irish and I've never come across it before. I'd take a stab at Ree-awn.

Rory17384949 · 06/09/2024 08:08

It's a lovely name but unless you live in Ireland you're setting them up for a lifetime of correcting pronunciation and being asked how to say their name.... I wouldn't do it tbh

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 08:39

Babyboyno2 · 05/09/2024 19:20

Was for naming a boy

It's a girls name though. It means queen.

I've never met anyone with the name, but I think the fada should be on the i and not on the a, so spelling is Ríoghan or Ríoghain, equivalent to Ríon. 'An' at the end of a name does usually have a fada, but the derivation seems to be different in this case.

The Morrigan, goddess of war and fate, foreteller of death, is Mór-Ríogain in Irish. Usually translated as great queen though the etymology is controversial. (Mór may not be great/big, but instead be derived from a word equivalent to mare, meaning terror, as in nightmare. Scary in any case.)

As others have said the similar sounding Rian might be better for a boy. Rian doesn't need a fada on the i though many use it. Many associate it with king (rí) but in fact it is so old the meaning has been lost.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 08:48

Ríoghan is Ree-an btw.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 09:05

Oops, just noticed a typo.
Morrigan is Mór-Ríoghain or Mór-Ríoghan.
I forgot to include the h in the previous post.

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 09:07

@Coffeeatthelocalmarket , it's nice. For a girl, obviously Smile. Thanks.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 09:30

@KirstenBlest
I've never come across anyone called it, though I do know a Ríonach or two (meaning queenly, older spelling Ríoghnach). I also know a Ríona, which could be considered a short form of Ríonach or Caitríona.

One issue with Ríoghan for a girl is that it'll get confused with Rian/Rían from a sound pov.

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 09:58

And get spelled like the boy's name too, I'd imagine.
How do you say Ríona? Caitriona?

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 10:26

Caitríona is Ca-tree-uh-na for me (the uh bit is not really emphasised though).
Ríona is Ree-uh-na, again the uh is slight. I'm not a native speaker but the person in this link is, I think.

https://forvo.com/word/r%C3%ADona/

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 12:36

What happens IRL is that you say Caitriona and the other person hears Katreena or Cat-ree-O-na.

Wouldn't happen where people know the name and how it sounds.
Cat-ree-(uh)-na seems easy enough once you know.

I suspect that Ríona would get Ree-O-na (to rhyme with Fiona) a lot.

Berlinlover · 06/09/2024 12:40

I would pronounce it Ree-awn.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 13:17

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 12:36

What happens IRL is that you say Caitriona and the other person hears Katreena or Cat-ree-O-na.

Wouldn't happen where people know the name and how it sounds.
Cat-ree-(uh)-na seems easy enough once you know.

I suspect that Ríona would get Ree-O-na (to rhyme with Fiona) a lot.

As you say, I think it depends on where you are. Tríona (Tree-uh-na) is a common short form of Caitríona. It was quite popular when I was growing up, probably not now though. So I think Ríona would mostly follow that pronunciation here in Ireland.

I do know of one Tríona who went by Tree-Oh-na, emphasis on the Oh. She had the opposite problem really. People kept saying Tree-uh-na to her. But elsewhere it would be different of course.

Lots of Irish Caitríonas do say Ca-tree-na and skip the uh bit actually, but I'd say that's less likely among fluent Irish speakers - there'll be the small uh that people mightn't always hear.

dizzydizzydizzy · 06/09/2024 13:50

I would literally have no idea how to pronounce this even rhougb I went to a school full of of Irish kids (in England)

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 15:47

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

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Createausernametoday · 10/09/2024 16:53

Couldn’t tell you as no idea how it’s pronounced tbh

Viviennemary · 10/09/2024 16:55

Wouldn't even attempt to pronounce it.

BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:28

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 15:47

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

Daithí is lovely, but doesn't need the fada on the A. That would make it doy-hee, like Máire.

Also, no fada in Daire I don't think, although I'm more familiar with Dara. Dara or Darragh would be by far the easiest to pronounce of the names you've listed.

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 17:32

@BarbaraHoward oh really! Anyone I know has the fada on the a so I just assumed it was correct

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BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:34

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 17:32

@BarbaraHoward oh really! Anyone I know has the fada on the a so I just assumed it was correct

There's a lot of incorrect fadas in NI. 🙈 It's because people don't learn the language formally. I think fadas are seen as a matter of identity, rather than spelling. If that makes any sense at all.

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 18:01

@BarbaraHoward yeah makes sense. That’s crazy. Seen one on dáire too? I would hate to register a child with wrong fada placement etc so thanks for letting me know!

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BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 18:09

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 18:01

@BarbaraHoward yeah makes sense. That’s crazy. Seen one on dáire too? I would hate to register a child with wrong fada placement etc so thanks for letting me know!

Don't quote me on Daire, I'm very far from a native speaker. Start a thread with the names in the title and someone more knowledgeable will come along.

stanleypops66 · 10/09/2024 18:29

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

^
They're very easy to say, and more common.

PuddingAunt · 11/09/2024 18:38

I slightly prefer Rian.
Ríán is legit spelling but hassly.

mathanxiety · 11/09/2024 20:34

BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:28

Daithí is lovely, but doesn't need the fada on the A. That would make it doy-hee, like Máire.

Also, no fada in Daire I don't think, although I'm more familiar with Dara. Dara or Darragh would be by far the easiest to pronounce of the names you've listed.

Edited

Yes, no fada on either A there.