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Is 'Isambard' child cruelty?

105 replies

SnuggleBuggleBoo · 10/10/2023 19:59

Ever come across one in real life?

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RedToothBrush · 11/10/2023 12:44

SoundTheSirens · 11/10/2023 09:46

Wayne or Kevin are cruel and honestly they were awful even growing up amongst them.

Let's not rewrite history. I grew up with several Kevins and a Wayne at school. There was nothing wrong with these names at the time they were fashionable and the boys with those names weren't teased or sniggered at for their name in school. It's only with a combination of 70s names falling out of fashion and becoming used ironically for dog/horse names, plus comedy characters like Kevin the Teenager and Wayne & Waynetta Slob becoming part of popular culture that make them less suitable for babies today.

Wayne and Kevin have NEVER been fashionable. People might like them, but they've never been fashionable.

Honestly if you were growing up in the 70s and 80s did you ever think that Wayne or Kevin was a good name? They were shit names even then.

EmmaPaella · 11/10/2023 13:00

There were a lot of Kevins around. Lots wouldn’t have chosen it but it wasn’t unpopular. Didn’t Joan on Mad Men call her son Kevin? I assumed that was around when it came ‘in’.

EmmaPaella · 11/10/2023 13:01

I only knew a couple of Waynes though!

SoundTheSirens · 11/10/2023 13:08

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2023 12:44

Wayne and Kevin have NEVER been fashionable. People might like them, but they've never been fashionable.

Honestly if you were growing up in the 70s and 80s did you ever think that Wayne or Kevin was a good name? They were shit names even then.

I didn’t grade the names of the people I went to school with on how “good” or “bad” they were. They were just the names of the people I went to school with. Kevin was a really common name, there were two Kevins in my maths class alone, and as someone who grew up in the North East Kevin Keegan became something of a local hero when he signed for Newcastle, he was a role model for football-loving boys.

Of course as I’ve grown older I’ve developed likes and dislikes for certain names, and in some instances that’s influenced by the character or behaviour of people I’ve known with that name, including at school (I never knew a nice Wendy or an unkind Sarah, for example), and I can recognise now that many of the names of my generation - including my own - are seen as unfashionable, even comical. (And a generation ago many people felt the same about Elsie or Wilf and look at how many little ones with those names are running about now.) But growing up…no, I can’t say I did judge Kevin, Wayne, Colin, Paul or any of the other 70s names around me as “a shit name”. That only came with age and perspective, and is subjective to each of us anyway.

bleuclair · 11/10/2023 13:18

LolaSmiles · 11/10/2023 08:20

It wouldn't be my choice, but it's got nick name potential.

I wouldn't say it's child cruelty, but I think with more unusual names it's worth considering what's typical around you. If your social circle has lots of Atticus, Montgomery, Bartholomew, Persephone style names then it's unlikely to stand out much. If your social circle is all top 10s Oliver's, Amelia, Isla, Noah then it might.

I agrée with this. Only you know how it will stand in your social setting, OP.

It's very little used in the UK, with very few babies registered with the name Isambard.

WotNoUserName · 11/10/2023 13:18

When I was talking names of my future grandchild with my children when they were younger Isambard was on the list. I approved, I like unusual names, and IKB was a great man. Another was Balthazar, which I also love.

And another was Roger. The child that wanted to name his child that has been disowned and banished from my house. 😜

bleuclair · 11/10/2023 13:18

Though I don't think OP ever returned after their initial post. I asked a question very early on...

flustereddriver75 · 11/10/2023 18:07

He could change it to Sammy if he wanted something ordinary.
Go for it if you love it.

susey · 11/10/2023 18:17

We were not brave enough to go with it as a first name so our son has Isambard as his only middle name!

I love it. But I think it would take a strong personality to pull it off as it's so unusual and you can't guarantee when naming a baby.

I now wish we had gone with it really....I think even Sam would be fine as a nickname!

RogueFemale · 12/10/2023 02:04

susey · 11/10/2023 18:17

We were not brave enough to go with it as a first name so our son has Isambard as his only middle name!

I love it. But I think it would take a strong personality to pull it off as it's so unusual and you can't guarantee when naming a baby.

I now wish we had gone with it really....I think even Sam would be fine as a nickname!

I believe that a strong name helps to form a strong character.

RogueFemale · 12/10/2023 02:08

EmmaPaella · 11/10/2023 13:06

This is an interesting article - had no idea there were French Kevins! The is/was class prejudice about the name in the UK too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/kevin-french-name-national-mockery

Fascinating!

bleuclair · 12/10/2023 02:09

OP didn't return to the thread after their first post.

marmite2023 · 12/10/2023 03:59

Check out the band The Men Who Will Not be Blamed for Nothing. They have a great and catchy song about Isambard Kingdom Brunel (he built a bridge and he built it well)

Mojodojocasahaus · 12/10/2023 04:07

It’s long isn’t it. Be prepared for shortening.

Is, Sammy, Bardy, Bruno (as in Brunel) sound much better being yelled by the football coach across the pitch when he’s 10.

What about Monty, Archie, Wilf?

AirFryerFrequentFlyer · 12/10/2023 04:17

gotomomo · 11/10/2023 07:29

@GirlFromTheBackstreetsOfNever

Interesting you also have met a Chardonnay - I knew sisters called Chardonnay and Merlot - mum proudly told the other mums she wanted something classy (was was very young, too young to purchase said wives when they were born) it took a lot of willpower not to laugh.

I personally would not saddle a child with isambard but mine do have traditional bible names

Sincerely hoping this is wines not wives Grin

AirFryerFrequentFlyer · 12/10/2023 04:22

I just think what if he's utterly shite at maths/science but is forever associated with one of the greatest engineers? That would be tough for a kid to cope with at school getting teased for that.

zozueme · 12/10/2023 11:35

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2023 12:44

Wayne and Kevin have NEVER been fashionable. People might like them, but they've never been fashionable.

Honestly if you were growing up in the 70s and 80s did you ever think that Wayne or Kevin was a good name? They were shit names even then.

Kevin was in the top 20 in the 50s and 60s. So presumably it was considered fashionable then even if it isn't anymore? Wayne was top 40 and Peter used to be top 5. Fashions change 🤷‍♀️

itsmyp4rty · 12/10/2023 11:40

Could you imagine being down the park and calling out 'Isambard, Isambard, time to go home now Isambard?'

TheaBrandt · 12/10/2023 11:56

No one would bat an eyelid in Hampstead to be fair

Latenightreader · 12/10/2023 12:04

gotomomo · 11/10/2023 07:29

@GirlFromTheBackstreetsOfNever

Interesting you also have met a Chardonnay - I knew sisters called Chardonnay and Merlot - mum proudly told the other mums she wanted something classy (was was very young, too young to purchase said wives when they were born) it took a lot of willpower not to laugh.

I personally would not saddle a child with isambard but mine do have traditional bible names

I ran a course attended by a small girl named Rioja. I was desperate to ask whether her sister was Chardonnay.

AgenceGrateau · 12/10/2023 12:24

I had this on my list. Perhaps fortunate I had a DD...I'd totally use it, nn Sam, could be perfectly ordinary if you wanted it to be. I love it though!

Ruthietuthie · 12/10/2023 12:32

There are two in our small neighborhood. I quite like it. And, because of the Kingdom Brunel connection at least it is recognizably a name for most people who hear it.

Reugny · 12/10/2023 12:56

AirFryerFrequentFlyer · 12/10/2023 04:22

I just think what if he's utterly shite at maths/science but is forever associated with one of the greatest engineers? That would be tough for a kid to cope with at school getting teased for that.

Due to the name he will ensure he isn't. 😂

Reugny · 12/10/2023 12:57

itsmyp4rty · 12/10/2023 11:40

Could you imagine being down the park and calling out 'Isambard, Isambard, time to go home now Isambard?'

To be fair when I'm in the park and people shout names I'm not sure if they are calling to a child or a dog.