Réaltín

[Herculesfan]

I love the name Réaltín meaning little star but my
husband thinks his family will struggle to pronounce it.

I don't get this problem of using Irish first names in the UK.
As I said in a previous post, the UK is multicultural and there are far more difficult names to pronounce than Irish ones.
Some Asian names of UK citizens I have read about in news reports in UK newspapers, both first and / or surname can be very long and to me be unpronounceable. But I'd be willing to learn.

@Marynotsocontrary It's also rude to assume everyone speaks English and should change their language to suit you! Irish people having a conversation about Irish language should translate it?

@Herculesfan I absolutely adore Réaltín. I don't see the issue of using it all. Every school these days is filled with multiple cultures and with that comes many beautiful names and many beautiful pronounciations! Once it's said once, people won't forget it. And how many times do people read your name before using it? Usually one would be introduced in conversation so it won't be a huge issue.

But if she ever lives outside of Ireland she'll end up repeating/spelling it out a lot I think.

There are literally thousands of people in the UK that have names not from the UK as they are immigrants or 2nd gen etc. I never understand the mindset some posters have on here but I guess they don't have diverse circles?

There’s serious entitlement here. If you were that desperate to know what was being said, run it through Google translate.

I agree, @LadyEloise1. DS was born and brought up for many years in England, with not only an Irish first name, but with both of our Irish-language surnames. Think Tadhg O’Conaire Breathnach type of name. Anyone who needed to know learned how to pronounce it. Unless you’re going to be crushed because a barista or a dental reception mispronounces/spells your name, there’s no issue.

As I said in a previous post, the UK is multicultural and there are far more difficult names to pronounce than Irish ones.

That's what I find bizarre, through work I've met so many people with different names that I've never heard of, it's not hard to learn though.

Sorry but unless you live in Ireland, it’s not going to work

What does this even mean?

I have a "foreign" name and it's no biggie. Yes sometimes a GP gets it wrong but google seems to have reduced that & obviously I don't feel the need to run off and cry because someone stumbles & gets it wrong.

People always say they'll learn once they've been told as if the person with the name isn't ever going to meet any more people in their whole life!

Well that's kind of what I assumed. It wasn't meant for people who don't speak Irish

I'm not bothered what she's saying either

@CurlewKate but it's really not a big deal.

I'm Irish and think we shouldn't start talking in Irish unless necessary. Sometimes some Irish is needed but you can add a translation. Maybe in Craicnet it's ok, but not in Baby Names anyway. It does exclude people on the thread who aren't Irish, as well as many who are, and I don't think that's fair.

At least part of @SunnyFog's posts could have been said so everyone understood. Saying "Sorry, I didn't notice spellcheck mangling my posts then" really isn't so niche that it needs to be said as Gaeilge (in Irish).

It's a great name but I think you are missing the point with your AIBU. Lots of people have names that are difficult to spell or say (me included 😊)

Your issue isn't the name it's that your husband isn't sure about it. His family are dismissive about Irish names but are you being 'dismissive' or your husbands concerns?
I don't think this issue is AIBU material but a matter for you and your husband to work out.

I've a foreign, impossible to say or spell name that I love. It's never been an issue for me although I do use my simple middle name for some things where I can't be bothered spelling out my name. Lots of people miss spell my name and it's often mispronounced but I really don't mind. It's a fantastic name and I get lots of compliments on it.

If non-gaeilgeoirí are that intrigued, Google translate is a mere click away.

I would pronounce in rail teen but I am from Connaught.

When I read Reel Tarn above i knew straight away it was from an Ulster person. It has a real Derry Donegal ring to it. So while I would never say it like that I can 100% see why you would spell it out like that if your only exposure to the name was in a northern accent

Sure, but it's a bit rude isn't it?
If you're in a small group of people where some speak English and Irish, and some only English, then it's rude to start nattering away in Irish and leave some out of the conversation.
It's the same for any language and it's much the same here I think. Yeah, some bits of the conversation might go over heads anyway, but not as much.

Off topic a bit but I disagree @TwirlBar when it comes to minority languages they would never be spoken if switching to English around ever English speaker had to happen.

It's harder to explain the phonological rules in English as the words are in Irish and the rules were drilled into us in school.

It's a lovely name but it is not being pronounced correctly. There's a knack to saying the last bit. It's not 'teen' it's more 'ch-een'

Love Réiltín, one of my absolute favourite names. I would have used it if I had a chance to!
I can never understand this thing on mn about not using Irish names/spellings if not in Ireland. The UK is so diverse, I'm sure it never comes up when people are asking about Asian or other European names. Its just accepted that a name from that heritage or language would be used.
Unconscious bias perhaps.
Anyway I would go for it OP. Once your ILs learn how to say it they'll have no excuse for not pronouncing it correctly!

There was girl with this name in my dds class in primary(I'm in Ireland), I think it's pretty inoffensive and nit difficult to say once someone has told you how.

That depends on dialect of Irish. It's teen where I am and that's correct here. Cheen is correct elsewhere.

I'm not saying we shouldn't use Irish words and expressions, hard not to when discussing Irish names. But good to make an effort to be inclusive I think. So I'm not a fan of long sentences or paragraphs without offering a translation.

I mean if there are English speakers at the next table in a restaurant but everyone at your table speaks Irish, it's fine to speak Irish.
If there are some that only speak English in the group you're in (like here) then it's polite to use English I think.

But we’re not in any kind of group. No one is excluding someone in the cafeteria. We’re on an anonymous internet thread discussing the appropriate spelling of an Irish-language name for a child who will grow up in a bilingual household. It’s entirely natural that some of that discussion about phonological issues in Irish will take place in Irish, if only because for many of us, the vocabulary is only familiar in Irish.

Will agree to disagree. I consider this a discussion group. Fine to use some Irish but I think it's rude to exclude non-speakers as pp was doing.

They won’t. I have a friend who has an unusual Scottish name, she has to explain it to many, many people (even has an explanation of it on her website, she owns her own business).

She’s 51.

I really like it!

Wasn’t trying to exclude anyone. Did post a photo of the entry in Dineen’s dictionary for the ending -ín. There’s a bit that says “sometimes used without palatalisation eg teachín, tigín”. I am guessing that isn’t going to help anyone who hasn’t studied Irish.