How to pronounce Talia

[GemLooper]

Would you say Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh?

@Balonzette

Tal-ee-uh.

It wouldn't be Tar-lee-uh unless spelt differently.

How would you pronounce Bali or Mali? To me, Talia is the same pronunciation with an "ah" on the. end.

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

Bali and barley sound exactly the same in certain accents.

Some of you need to leave your home village once in a while. There are different accents lurking beyond them there hills.

Doooooon't. I'm imagining a whole group of Mumsnetters living like those scary placdz in films like the one with the banjo player where some poor fucker from 4 miles down the road breaks down and gets proper murdered because he pronounces "barley" differently. Leave them where they are. Safer that way. (for everyone else-i mean, I don't want to be anywhere that gene pool)

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

Take Trevor McDonald. What accent does he have? Or Susanna Reid. I see them as no accent.

Oh come on. If Trev or Suse went to Louisiana or to Sydney do you think the locals might perceive them as having an accent?

It's such a strange thing where some people from the SE England think it's only everyone else who has an accent.

Exactly!! 🤣 also such smugness from someone demonstrating a very obvious lack of knowledge on the history of accents and the English language

Why are people adding an R?

Talia is pronounced like Italia without the I.

Imagine ‘barley’ said in an Irish accent. It really doesn’t sound like Bali.

Christing Christ. Facepalm at some of these comments. Please go on the basic foundation that most of us have left our twee villages and seen the sights of the town next door

Yes, Barley in an Irish accent, doesn't sound like Bali. It's because it's in an Irish accent!!! Remove the accent. Irish, Glaswegian, or whichever. Now how do you say it.

And Bali (Bah-lee) and Barley (Bar-lee) sound very different.

Yes, Barley in an Irish accent, doesn't sound like Bali. It's because it's in an Irish accent!!! Remove the accent. Irish, Glaswegian, or whichever. Now how do you say it.

Everybody has an accent! There isn't one standard or default accent around which everyone else varies you know.

These threads always descend into this, but it's really quite simple

No one is "adding" an R. In most non-rhotic accents, Barley and Bali sound exactly the same. So writing it as Tar-Lee-A comes as the natural way to spell how they might pronounce it.

And for everyone else refusing to understand how rhotic accents work, people who pronounce Barley and Bali different aren't pronouncing it "wrong", there's no 'neutral' or 'correct' accent which they would default to if they somehow "removed" their accent.

I'm really struggling to understand the confusion🤣

For OP's original question, the only Talia I've ever known pronounced it TAR-Lee-a, said in a non-rhotic northern accent. Lovely name!

Why are people adding an R?

Because. That. Is. How. They. Approximate. That. Sound. In. Their. Accent.

Which has been covered extensively on the thread.

It’s because most folk don’t know the IPA symbol for what they’re trying to get across (in this case ɑː)

Yes, Barley in an Irish accent, doesn't sound like Bali. It's because it's in an Irish accent!!! Remove the accent. Irish, Glaswegian, or whichever. Now how do you say it.

I imagine you would be totally silent, as there is no such thing as ‘no accent’.

You can’t take away an accent and have a neutral/pure pronunciation. You’re adopting a different accent.

Everybody has an accent! There isn't one standard or default accent around which everyone else varies you know.

What accent(s) do the following have? Because it seems that people are just adding a location (eg London) to imply there's some sort of accent, when they mean "cockney" which does not apply to most Londoners.

Piers Morgan
Simon Cowell
Kate Middleton
Freddie Mercury

(I know a bizarre mix, but trying to pick nationally famous people who's voices are easy to repeat in your head)

It’s because most folk don’t know the IPA symbol for what they’re trying to get across (in this case ɑː)

Maybe we should all learn them!

T ɑ:lia

That makes more sense than adding an R!

You can’t take away an accent and have a neutral/pure pronunciation

Well of course you can. Like the phonetic bit you get after each word in the dictionary. Where it goes:

Blah blah. Verb/noun. "Blaar Blaar"

That thing

@LizzieAnt

People with other accents do sound the r and so for them tar does not sound like ta or rhyme with la.

It's not just the 'r' that's the issue though RichardMarxisInnocent. The 'a' sound is different too. So I think the way I pronounce ta is different to the way you say ta. For me it rhymes with la as in Lala (the teletubby), not the note.

Good point, and now that you say it I think I can hear in my head the different way it would be pronounced.

@TwinsandTrifle

Everybody has an accent! There isn't one standard or default accent around which everyone else varies you know.

What accent(s) do the following have? Because it seems that people are just adding a location (eg London) to imply there's some sort of accent, when they mean "cockney" which does not apply to most Londoners.

Piers Morgan
Simon Cowell
Kate Middleton
Freddie Mercury

(I know a bizarre mix, but trying to pick nationally famous people who's voices are easy to repeat in your head)

A variety of English accents I'm guessing? I haven't heard them all speak (I'm not in the UK).

A strange question...
What point are you trying to make?
That some of them have no accent?
That's just not true, you know. English people have English accents.

English people have English accents.

They live in England. They dont have an accent. People are confusing location with meaning it has an accent The people I listed don't have one.

An English person who lives in Norfolk, °could^ have a thick Norfolk accent. They don't have an "English accent" they have a "Norfolk accent."

Oh dear.

Of course English people have an English accent. Just like Americans have an American accent or the Irish have an Irish accent. Or Scots a Scottish accent.

An accent is a way of pronouncing a language. It is therefore impossible to speak without an accent.

@LizzieAnt I appreciate you're not English, so you're answering as if we all sound the same because we're "English" this isn't the case. I asked a specific question regarding well known voices, and you came on to say "I haven't heard of most of them, so I'm guessing they sound like this". With respect that completely glossed over the exact point.

@TwinsandTrifle

You can’t take away an accent and have a neutral/pure pronunciation

Well of course you can. Like the phonetic bit you get after each word in the dictionary. Where it goes:

Blah blah. Verb/noun. "Blaar Blaar"

That thing

Most decent dictionaries use IPA first.

And that doesn’t mean no accent, it’s talking about the standard/dominant accent (or the accent historically considered to be standard/proper - strong class overtones here) in the dictionary’s primary market. So an American or Australian dictionary will list different pronunciations; for many words dictionaries list more than one way to pronounce a word.

The people you’ve mentioned are mainly Standard Southern English/RP if you’re taking a modern/inclusive view of RP. There is accent variation between them of course.

RP is an accent, not the absence of one.

@Blubells

It’s because most folk don’t know the IPA symbol for what they’re trying to get across (in this case ɑː)

Maybe we should all learn them!

T ɑ:lia

That makes more sense than adding an R!

/tæli:a/ Is how my student pronounces her name tbf. But, yes, quite.

@TwinsandTrifle

"They live in England. They dont have an accent. People are confusing location with meaning it has an accent The people I listed don't have one."

Please stop. You're making yourself look more and more ignorant with every post.

Piers Morgan- he's quite interesting as his accent was a lot more RP some years ago. I'd say, but don't know, he's done some voice coaching to be more down with the plebs.

Simon Cowell- normal fairly standard southern estuary. Slips into a bit of a US twang on certain words, only to be expected after spending such lengths of time there.

Kate Middleton- coached since she was born to speak the way she does. Has much more of an RP accent than her husband.

Freddie Mercury- a naturalised British Citizen born in Zanzibar. But, ultimately, standard SE for him too.

Crossed with @JassyRadlett Mornin'

They live in England. They dont have an accent.

They have an English accent

That makes more sense than adding an R!

To you, sure. To non-rhotics it would make perfect sense.

A little more thought and willingness to bend on both sides is probably needed here. For a non-rhotic, a bit of ‘how will people who pronounce Rs read this?’ For a rhotic, ‘I wonder if there is any chance at all that the poster is one of those many people who don’t pronounce the R at the end of a lot of vowel sounds?’

Tah-Lee-Uh