Derogatory using the term chav?

[Diamond88]

So I've noticed a lot of responses to disliked names will immediately use the put down of 'chav' or 'chavvy'
I find it a very derogatory and those using it using it as a put down.
Are ppl referring to the lowly working class? Or those who don't have as much money?
Why is ok to use this term?
Or can anyone tell me what the term even means if I've got it wrong?

@Gwenhwyfar I thought Owen campaigned against Corbyn through the selection process?? I could be wrong - I haven’t kept up with politics as much since it all went crazy in all sorts of ways

He's a massive Corbynista these days, don't know about before.

Chav is derogatory but if we say people can't use the word chav, how else will they describe that kind of brash, uncultured, classless person? We'll just find another word that will equally offend the OP.

Chav is meant to be derogatory. If people want honest opinions on a name, then they have to be willing to accept honest answers even if they're negative or derogatory.

Lavenderblues
I agree with you.

AverageMummy
Owen Jones seem to be flexible and bend to whatever he thinks will gain him woke points, but he's getting a bit too smug in my opinion.
I really enjoyed his book on 'the establishment and how they get away with it', but now he seems to be increasingly part of the establishment in many respects whilst self-representing as some sort of outsider.

A chav places no value on traditional values. They are not cultured or well-educated. They instead aspire to celebrity culture and try to mimic the 'look' with (fake) brands and behaviour.
The names they choose are often names of celebrities and their offspring or names from tv programmes. The often favoured hyphen is seen by the chav as a status of money as a lot of them believe it's what 'people with money do' and sadly due to their warped sense of values and lack of educational efforts they have none themselves.

“He's a massive Corbynista these days, don't know about before.“

He’s always been a Corbynista- unless I’m suffering from False
Memory Syndrome- which is highly likely for a Labour supporter these days, to be honest.....

Chav is meant to be derogatory. If people want honest opinions on a name, then they have to be willing to accept honest answers even if they're negative or derogatory.

Yes you're a fan of the negative and derogatory it would seem. Shame your 'gay' post has been deleted.

@BertrandRussell

I disagree. There is a definite distinction between working class and being a chav. If you don't recognise that then you yourself are guilty of snobbery. I have met many wealthy chavs.

Completely agree user27495824, anyone can be a Chav, its lack of breeding not lack of money!

“There is a definite distinction between working class and being a chav.”
I think many people have made this point. However, in order to be a chav, you also have to be working class. This is not saying that all working class people are chavs. Or that the sort of behaviour is restricted to the working class. When other classes do it it’s called something else. The Bullingdon Club sort of behaviour- loud and obnoxious and conspicuous consumery - is parallel to chavvy behaviour but is called boorish. Or uncouth. Or yobby.

Bert I would say the Rooneys are ‘chavvy’ and they certainly aren’t working class. Katie Price I would also think fits into this category. It’s not a word I use but if I were to it certainly isn’t to imply a social class.

I think the meaning has slightly morphed since I first became aware of it. I'm sure it used to refer to a disaffected (usually WC) youth who would wear 'bling' and 'designer gear' (think Burberry) and declass it. I think now the term is used more widely to describe 'tasteless behaviour.'

I would say the Rooneys are ‘chavvy’ and they certainly aren’t working class. Katie Price I would also think fits into this category.

Well of course you would! Now, what do they have in common?

I also disagree that chav is a classist term. Its a term that describes loutish behaviour and a stereotype. I am working class. When i grew up there was 2 groups in my village. The chavs and the emos. The chavs all wore expensive tracksuits adidas nike etc. They would beat the ever loving shit out of us for the way we dressed (in black). They would use any excuse for violence and would proidly call themselves chavs as a badge of honour. The boys who murdered sophie lancaster were chavs. I find it utterly bizarre people defending chavs and pretening they are looking out for the little poor people. Chavs are chavs. Violent scumbags.

“Bert I would say the Rooneys are ‘chavvy’ and they certainly aren’t working class. Katie Price I would also think fits into this category.”
Of course they are working class! What class do you think they are?

Chav is a lifestyle choice

nothing to do with money or anything just look at some of the rich "chavs"

The roonys and katie price are not working class!!!! Jesus!

So what social class are they?

It is a derogatory word to describe the working class and I hate it. People who use that term are snobs and think they are better than others because of their status.

However I also hate middle class names like Tabitha and Matilda and Ralph. They bring out a physiological response in me verging on rage. Which is also my response to anyone who calls a name chavvy...

That's one of the problems on these boards. Tabitha's mum reacts with disgust and disdain at the working class and we rage back against it.

No war but the class war!

They fall under middle class. Just because your born into one class does not mean you stay in that class forever. Circumstances change. Thats like calling jk rowling working class because thats what she was before.

Are they middle class because they’re rich? Does that mean that an aristocrat who loses all their money become working class?

So which people who were born middle class or upper class are routinely described as being chavs?

Chav has working class roots that stay with you even when you've come into money, hence TOWIE, Wayne Rooney, Katie Price etc. I can't abide a Chav and unfriended a lot of people from my old job as I found their FB post intolerable.

Yes if an aristocrat loses all their money and goes into a low paid manual job then yes they become working class. In the old days you could also marry into a class system now you work into it. Class isnt a fixed concept. It never has been.