Derogatory using the term chav?

[Diamond88]

So I've noticed a lot of responses to disliked names will immediately use the put down of 'chav' or 'chavvy'
I find it a very derogatory and those using it using it as a put down.
Are ppl referring to the lowly working class? Or those who don't have as much money?
Why is ok to use this term?
Or can anyone tell me what the term even means if I've got it wrong?

If I heard the word i'd think of rowdy people in tracksuits drinking tins and having rows in the street, skanky hen parties getting pissed up on trains, groups of lads out on the town being dickheads, spitting in the street and shouting.

Yes, that's chavvy to me too. And people who behave that way might have a certain taste in names? These are names that others start to associate with such behaviour.

'naughty boy name' is another phrase that indicates the same. They're never referring to the naughty boys who roam the quads of Eton.

'naughty boy name' is another phrase that indicates the same. They're never referring to the naughty boys who roam the quads of Eton.

That's because the name itself doesn't cause naughty behaviour.

There is simply a correlation between certain names and naughty behaviour (if you believe surveys of teachers etc).

Calling a name chavvy is not any different from calling it posh, overused, dull, ugly, gay

Gay?! I think there is a big difference between calling a name overused and calling it “gay” - what on Earth is a gay name? Or was that an autocorrect for something?

Of course it's derogatory. 'Derogatory' means critical or disrespectful.

It is also derogatory to say a name is naff, boring, ugly or (depending on intent) posh.

If you post asking for opinions on baby names you are literally asking for a critical response.

I also agree that 'chav' is not defined by social class - I have met plenty of really boorish, badly behaved people with a lot of money and a comfortable upbringing for whom I think the term would be appropriate.

Calling a name chavvy is not any different from calling it posh, overused, dull, ugly, gay, etc etc

Gay?

Seriously? Is this the level MN is at these days?

Ugh.

I mean I knew MN had gone downhill. But even still!

Yes, my ds's name has been described as effeminate and gay on Mumsnet .

I try not to let it bother me and I think it says more about the poster than the name!

No I don't use it to describe a class of people. I know plenty of chavs with a lot of money. We are very working class. I use the term chav to describe certain things so, hot tubs in the garden, white 4x4's, gold jewellery dripping off their necks and fingers, wearing football tops to anywhere other than a match, terrible hair extentions, big tacky false nails, fake tanned or sunbeds so they are mahogany or orange. I could go on and on.

Nice attempt at backtracking, @Lavenderblues. You're the one who said chav is no biggie, same as calling a name dull or posh....or gay.

I see what you are.

You all now know the real meaning of 'chav'. So I guess there will be less use of it on Mumsnet

No one cares about classism tough. Look at the last few post. You don’t get the same outrage at classism as you do about homophobia, unfortunately.

Chav/chavvy are words that bring out the professionally offended who like to pretend that there is so social group who are chavs.

The thing is some well intentioned bleeding heart middle classes decide they need to protect those of us who are working clas or from working class backgrounds by pearl clutching falsely claiming that the word chav is mocking 'the working classes'.

In reality, most working class people and people with working class backgrounds know fine well the difference between working class and chavvy. It's just cool and woke for people to pretend otherwise.

Chav means young man/lad.
It's a Romany word, taken to use as a derogatory term.

Two people are offended by the homophobia. Everyone else seems cool with it.

It’s not about class. Around here it basically means girls wearing mini skirts and massive earrings and boys wearing tracksuits half way down their bums, they hang around in parks smoking. One very chavvy chav I know comes from an incredibly wealthy background and his parents own half the town

Chav in my mind refers to a type of behaviour or attitude - not a social class or relative to a persons financial status. In terms of commenting that a baby name is chavvy, this usually stems from that name being synonymous with people inhibiting those attitudes as seen on tv shows etc. It's the same as people saying a name is posh or toffy in my mind.

I thought chav stood for 'council house and violent'. Maybe someone was winding me up with that though

I completely agree with you, OP.

I call it out whenever I see it on here. It's a horrible word.

Quintella, I simply said that most names on here are criticised. Some descriptions are helpful (eg a name is regarded as overused, dated, posh, chavvy etc) others (like describing a name as gay) aren't.

it's the same as people saying a name is posh or toffy in my mind.
I agree.
Names have associations but some will clutch every pearl they have to pretend that nothing is ever chavvy at all in fact there shouldn't be a word to describe a type of behaviour and person that we all know exist.

Fine to say names have othet associations, but don't mention chav.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-14945593

Here, hope this helps.

Quintella, I simply said that most names on here are criticised. Some descriptions are helpful (eg a name is regarded as overused, dated, posh, chavvy etc) others (like describing a name as gay) aren't.

You simply said 'Calling a name chavvy is not any different from calling it posh, overused, dull, ugly, gay, etc etc'

Hope this helps refresh your homophobia for you.

I use it rarely but if I do it is to describe "entitled" people regardless of their financial situation. In my experience the more cash people have the more entitled they are.

Well, you're all wrong
Serves you right for stealing another language.