Any welsh speakers that can help with middle name confusion?

[pickwickcrocus]

We are trying to decide on a middle name if we have another dd. I'm Welsh but don't speak fluent Welsh sadly.

We have a dd with a Welsh first name and Rose as her middle name. We have decided that we really like the name Thea as a first name for another girl so would like a Welsh middle name.

This is where the slight confusion comes in. We thought it would be lovely if we could use some sort of flower name (Welsh) and then thought maybe Rose but in Welsh, as a nice link to her sister. It seems that there are a couple of words for it so I wanted to see which one is correct or is there one that is more commonly used than others?

Alternately, does anyone know of any unusual flower names in Welsh that are pretty and maybe seasonal at the moment?

I love Briallen, prn Bri Ah shen, methinks. Means primrose
www.behindthename.com/name/briallen

May be VERY wrong on prn. Hopefully welsh speaker will come along and correct me

Rhosyn is what I would use for Rose.

Sorry burga the pronounciation is wrong! You'd need to be able to pronounce the 'll' in the welsh way. Not sure how to explain the sound as it doesn't occur in English at all.

Lili is the only other flower I can think of off the top of my head...or you could use 'fflur' which means flowers in Welsh. Pronounced fl-ee-r

Briallen is very difficult for the non Welsh speaker to pronounce. I've also never heard it used as a name. Eirlys is pretty, Welsh for snowdrop

I can speak a bit of Welsh and have known someone with the Middle name Briallen.

I have no idea how to write it phonetically without making it look like the ugliest name in the world, which it is not! It doesn't end in the "Shen" sound though.

Not flowers but Haf is nice if you have a summer baby. As is Eirlys if it's a winter baby?

Bit of googling gets me welsh flower names.

Pronunciation for Briallen "Bree-Ah-LThen"

Don;t uses anythinig with a "ll" or a "ch" if you don;t speak welsh.

Blodwen means "white Flowers" but is extremely old fashioned

Eira = snow

Thanks for correction in pronunciation. I love welsh names. Ironic as I can't pronounce them!

I love Welsh nature names
Seren (star), Eira (snow), Enfys (rainbow), Haf (summer), Gwawr (dawn), Heulwen (sunshine), Fflur (flowers), Celyn (holly), Awela (breeze) and so many more. And they are not considered hippy at all!

My eldest is called Eira - I love it :-) (DH is the Welsh speaker here). Eirlys is lovely, meaning snowdrop.

Ffion means foxglove.

Thank you so much for all your replies.

Long - that's what I was hoping someone would say as the other translation we had was cadodd or something along those lines which would be a bit of a pain living in England, how would you actually pronounce Rhosyn?

I do also really like eira and eirlys, eirlys would also be appropriate for this time if year. Or haf, given the beautiful sunshine! Am due next week

Sorry what I meant about the pronunciation was would it sound more like rose or roz if that makes any sense?

Also, we did also find rhoslyn, do you have any idea if this has a 'rose' link or does it mean something entirely different?

It would be ross-in

Not sure about rhoslyn's meaning, I'lltry and find out. If sshe's due in May then you could use the Welsh for may which is Mai (pronounced My)

Rhosyn for rose never heard Cadodd

Rhosyn is pronounced Ross-in with a soft "R" not rolled "rh" is a separate letter in Welsh to "r"

Spring is Gwanwyn (Gwan-win) if you fancy that instead! Never heard it as a name mind you.

Or how about Gwyneira.. it means Snow White!

And pronunciation for Briallen really really isn't "Bree-Ah-LThen".

Put your tongue behind your top teeth as if you're going to say "L" then don't move your tongue and breathe out through the sides of your tongue...

Rhoslyn isn't common welsh name, apparently it means moor pool

The only Rhoslyn I've known was an elderly man!

Rhosyn is nice, not usual, prn Ross-inn, the Ross like the boy's name, but ideally with a bit of a rolled R.

Briallen - big no no if you don't speak Welsh. And Eirlys is quite hard for a non Welsh speaker too really.

Thea Haf is lovely, prn Harv, which means summer.

I would also say rhosyn for Rose, but my vote is for Fflur as a middle name....means flowers, and goes nicely with Thea, it's fairly common as a middle name as well and is easy to pronounce.

Warning, outside of Wales I know two Fflurs, they are called Flea-ah pretty much by everyone without a Welsh accent... so you would end up with a Thea Flea-ah

That was supposed to be sorry!

I agree about avoiding Welsh names with the letters ll and ch unless you feel confident that you'd be pronouncing it as a Welsh speaker.

Rhosyn in pronounced ross-in, no harsh roz sound.

What about Blodeuwedd - from the Welsh Mabinogion tales, the goddess of flowers/blossom?

Agreed Haf is lovely, but would stay away from Briallen as a non-Welsh speaker.

Well last evening and this nights events are indicating that it will be an April not May baby, so that sort of rules out Mai, which is a shame as it is short and very pretty, and not at all difficult to pronounce.

I do really like haf as well though dp seems to have trouble pronouncing it! I'm coming round to the idea of fflur, but will test run a few names out if we end up having a girl.

I'm happy with the ll and ch sounds in Welsh but it's not me I'm worried about in terms of pronunciation, its everyone around me!

If anyone else has any short nature inspired names any more suggestions are very welcome!

If I don't manage to come back to the thread soon, apologies. I will update when I can though things seem to have tailed off for a while, hence me mumsnetting at 4am!

Good luck op and do update us