Middle name for Aryan?

[FreddoPops]

Prefer a more common and international middle name.

Any ideas?

Oh, I know someone called Sirtaj. I always think Sir Taj in my mind

It apparently means Crown, so royalty perhaps...

Aryan is perfectly fine.

Coffeeinbed, the name has nothing to do with the Nazis or their atrocities. She's not naming her little boy Adolf! Aryan is a name with a history unassociated with WWII. You are blackening a name for no reason. If I met a little boy called Aryan I would not think his parents were neo nazis, would you, really?

If I met a white boy called aryan, I would definitely suspect his parents were white supremacists - wouldn't assume it, but it's such an odd name for a white person to choose that it would seem pretty likely.

I've never come across aryan as an Indian name, although I was aware the word itself (like the swastika) was appropriated from India by the nazis.

Op, am I right to assume that you have an Indian/Pakistani sounding surname? If so then maybe it's ok as when people first come across his name they'll just register it as something Indian rather than thinking of the nazis.

Can you clarify the pronunciation, OP? Hard to think what will flow as I don't know the rhythm of it.

Is it ARR-ee-un with the emphasis on the first syllable, rhyming with car

or

AIR-ee-un

or

Arr-EE-un?

or something else?

A white child called Aryan I would definitely think white supremacists/neo-nazis - I'd think of that American couple who named their children Adolf and Aryan www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2152679/New-Jersey-parents-named-children-Adolf-Hitler-Aryan-Nation-back.html

An obviously Indian child, or the name written down with an obviously Indian surname, I wouldn't. Aryan Smith would make me though.

I like Aryan Jai too . Has a nice ring to it.

Everyone commenting negatively about the name Aryan

Aryan is a very popular boys name in India meaning noble/ illustrious

Arya is used for girls meaning the same

The original Aryan's

This name has nothing to do with the Nazis. It's a name in it's own right. I would not think that the parents are white supremacists, as the name transcends western culture and historically beyond 1939.

Aryan Jai has a nice ring to it. Other possible ideas:
Aryan Nathaniel
Aryan Isaac
Aryan Oliver
Aryan

Last random Aryan was supposed to be Aryan Elijah.

To answer your question, Lotty, yes, I probably would think that the parents have Nazi leanings, at the very least, because otherwise I would have to assume they were completely innocent of any knowledge of its connotation, or indeed of respect for recent history, and that would be quite unbelievable.

As for whether it transcends anything, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply chose the wrong word.
I'm generous that way.

I also do tend to judge, unapologetically so, where anything to do with Nazis. Funny that.

I can see it does make a difference if the Aryan's non-white but as someone else said, you have to see them to know that!

Aryan is a gorgeous Persian name. Would you consider Aerion? I knew an Albanian man with this name and thought it was beautiful.

coffeeinbed you are coming across as really smug. Judge away, but nothing changes the fact that Aryan is a name steeped in antiquity.

Just because a psychotic man with a funny moustache used that word for his bloodthirsty pogroms, doesn't mean the word should be banned.

We've reclaimed words like slut and queer. Why not this? If enough boys are named Aryans, I think it will slowly cleanse away the negative connotations. This does not mean I am disrespectful of the Holocaust or the horrific suffering of the Jews.

I don't know how many people died in the bloodthirsty pogroms, I do know though that in the subsequent war more than 60 million lost their lives.

Also "smug"?
Of all things, really?

I don't know why I bother.
Horse, water...

Actually, coffeeinbed, I think you are being offensive to parents of boys called Aryan. I only know one set of parents who have chosen this name, but they are intelligent, well educated and very respectful people.

As the OP said...the name was around long before Hitler, and will be around long after.

"We've reclaimed words like slut and queer. Why not this? If enough boys are named Aryans, I think it will slowly cleanse away the negative connotations. This does not mean I am disrespectful of the Holocaust or the horrific suffering of the Jews." Well said, Amrapaali, I was about to post the same.

Transcend - "to go beyond". This was the context I was referring to Coffeeinbed, but thank you for trying to belittle me.

You are also driving this conversation away from what the Op originally asked. I think Op is happy with the first name Aryan, they've asked for suggestions of middle names, nothing more.

All these nay-sayers, just wondering, did any of you make an official complaint when Game of Thrones aired?

coffeeinbed I'm sure you're against anyone using the name Josef too. Or was what Stalin did not atrocious enough for you?

I'm sure Indians/Iranians/Pakistanis wonder whilst thinking of names for their children, 'Gee, what would Hitler do?'

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan It's pronounced Are-yun. 2 syllables.

TheFillyjonk Thanks but we're set for the first name.

Lottystar Thanks for the suggestion. They're fine for here but don't think they'd work in the East.

Added Dev and Neel/Neil. Is Neil a bit dated?

"As the OP said...the name was around long before Hitler, and will be around long after. "

Um, no. How many UK parents have used Myra since the sixties?

How is it pronounced?
That makes a difference to middle names

Um, no. How many UK parents have used Myra since the sixties?

Quite a lot actually, BOF.

According to the Office for National Statistics:

6 in 1998
9 in 1999
6 in 2000
11 in 2001
15 in 2002
26 in 2011
30 in 2012

And that's just 7 years out of 40+.

Op, I know you weren't asking for opinions on aryan, but I think pp's were merely trying to flag up something you might have missed fair enough if it's not of concern to you.

Personally I sit on the fence, but wouldn't name a child either Myra or Aryan, which are both perfectly lovely names with negative connotations. Esp with Aryan I'd bear in mind how the written name would look on Cv's/ job apps. Some people would unfortunately judge.

Each to their own.

Fwiw, I too like Jay

So the first syllable rhymes with car?

Aryan Seth
Aryan Robin
Aryan Frankie
Aryan Marcus
Aryan Henry
Aryan Jasper

If you are set on the name, fine. People are just trying to flag up what is a very obvious issue in their eyes.

If you are of Indian/Pakistani heritage then it certainly could work as a name.

I don't think Aryan as a boys name has the same potential to cross cultures and not make people think of Nazi's in the same way Arya does.

As an aside, comparing Josef/Joseph to Aryan to most European people is utterly pointless. The former being a historically common name, the latter being the name given to a Nazi ideology. Same goes for Joesph and Adolf. Or indeed, Joseph and Myra.

I understand Aryan is a historically used name in your culture, I do.

It amazes me that there are other threads running alongside this where people are debating using Madeleine but posters are purportedly baffled as to why someone might find Aryan a terribly poor choice.

Btw, it is not just a European issue. You'll find plenty of neo-nazis in the US and Canada and other parts of the world who have embraced the name for their "organisations".

It's also worse remembering that it is the child who will have to live with this name so it's not just about the parents' freedom of choice.

Out of interest, for people who say there is nothing wrong with the name, do you consider any names to be off limits? Adolf, for example? I'm genuinely interested.