Middle name for Aryan?

[FreddoPops]

Prefer a more common and international middle name.

Any ideas?

Alis you are clutching at straws now. Arya is fine for a girl, but Aryan is taboo for a boy? White supremacists can be of any gender, I think.

"As an aside, comparing Josef/Joseph to Aryan to most European people is utterly pointless. The former being a historically common name."

Exactly. Just as Joseph is a historically common name in Europe, Aryan is historically common in South Asia as well.

My DS went to playgroup with an Indian boy called Aryan. Hs mum pronounced it AAr-ee-an. He was lovely but even though they and I are Asian, I did think hmmm...

*Quite a lot actually, BOF.

According to the Office for National Statistics:

6 in 1998
9 in 1999
6 in 2000
11 in 2001
15 in 2002
26 in 2011
30 in 2012*

that it not a lot, in a population of 30 million people that is a microscopically tiny percentage.

You are not in an Asian country where the name does not have the connotations it has here in Europe. It is spectacularly offensive. I have just read this out in my office and everyone gasped in shock and then laughed at the sheer idiocy of thinking it's a good, or even acceptable, name for a child.

If there was a child at DD's nursery with this name I would actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are nazis and I would not want such people around my child.

Aryan is actually a really gorgeous name... maybe stick in an extra 'a' at the beginning for future work emails etc

I have just read more of the OP's comments and see that she is Asian (though I don't know if her DP is) so some of my post is nonsense (I wouldn't think you were nazis, just idiots). However, it still remains the fact that here in Britain the name has very offensive historical (and not really that historical - there will still be plenty of people alive who remember of were affected by the Holocaust) connotations, and I think it would be very ignorant to forget that.

MrsOakenshield, you would avoid a child or suggest your children did so because of their name? A personal choice made by their parents who you don't know. I think that attitude is more worrying than any name someone could concoct for their child. A bit like that Katie Hopkins. I think Aryan in this context is fine, it's an old name with different cultural connotations. I have Jewish family and I see no offence, I also studied history at uni so I'm not ignorant of Hitler's awfulness. It simply has nothing to do with this little boy or family!

A really gorgeous name .....
Maybe many think so

With the most awful anti-Semitic connotations.

Back to the thread ....don't think you really need a middle name.

MrsOakenshield wherever did the OP say she was in Britain or Europe for that matter? I think she says she is in the East.

"..actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are Nazis."

Well, like duh, obviously!!

Some prejudiced and blinkered people around on this thread with no sense of other cultures or world history.

Agree OP, you don't really need a middle name. Just wondering why you want an international sounding name? Will you be travelling a lot? Changing schools often?

yes, I would - I'm not the only one who has said that they would assume the parents were white supremecists (sorry, I just can't seem to spell that right) and obviously I wouldn't want my child hanging around with such people - would you? Of course their child would be fine, until such time he started to repeat his parents' views, but I wouldn't want DD having playdates or being in the home of nazis. Just as if I found out that the parents of any of her little chums were racist, I would back slowly away and not allow DD in their home. Of course, I would not say 'you can't play with so-and-so'.

Obviously, I now realise that in this instance at least one of the parents is Asian, which would explain it and I wouldn't make that assumption - but it would still be a horrible name to give a child.

Some prejudiced and blinkered people around on this thread with no sense of other cultures or world history.

Clearly.

Look Aryan isn't just a name, it's an ideology, it's the whole movement of the race of the Übermensch. Even Adolf is just a nave, as is Josef.

Aryan isn't.
It's the ideal, it's what Hitler strived, lived and breathed for.
If you cannot see how that might offensive, then you're clearly lacking something.

I wouldn't assume that a child called Aryan had parents who were white supremacists even if he was Caucasian. It's a very old name and why should you have to be Asian for it to be okay? I don't see it being intrinsically linked with the Third Reich.

I could understand the name Adolf would raise eyebrows but I would never blame the child, that's just cruel.

No one's blaming the child.
Child doesn't choose its name.

There is an Aryan in my DD's class at school. His parents are (I think) Hindu or Sikh.

I think it would sound nice with a middle name beginning with one of the softer consonants, perhaps with the letter M or a soft G/J?

Fearing a word/name gives that word/name power. It would be fabulous if lots of boys were called Aryan so it became "just a name", rather than associated with a particularly nasty ideology.

MrsOakenshield 'that it not a lot, in a population of 30 million people that is a microscopically tiny percentage.'

A lot may have been a poor choice of word but my point was that Myra has been used since the 60s (which is what BOF asked).

If there was a child at DD's nursery with this name I would actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are nazis idiots and I would not want such people around my child.

Since you're obviously prejudiced (pre-judging us without knowing anything about me or my family or the relevance of the name in relation to us, our history and culture) I wouldn't care if you avoided us, as I don't tolerate narrow-minded people very well.

But isn't it pronounced differently anyway? So you would hear the name for weeks probably first in most cases before you saw it written down.

Freddopops. kids get grief for all sorts of things at school - being too fat, too thin, having red hair, curly hair, straight hair, funny teeth you name it really. if you give them a name with connotations however unintended on your part then this is just something else that they will have to contend with. there are some lovely names out there but for example I wouldn't call my son Richard William (Dick Willy) or my daughter Fanny or anything else that could cause the sort of nasty sniggering and name calling that goes on. by all means call your son this but be aware he might not thank you for it as he grows older. personally, I would avoid anything like this, like the plague.

But what percentage of children were born with the name Myra pre 1960's. That would give some perspective to your point OP.

Agree Gossamer

I don't tolerate narrow-minded people very well

I don't tolerate ignorant people very well, either, and to ignore the history and culture of this country, and indeed Europe as a whole when (I assume) you live here is spectacularly crass.

It might interest you to know that when I just tried to google Aryan, using the google search function in the top toolbar (on a Mac) it disappeared - it does that if you search for 'porn' too. It's something that people don't want popping up on their search history.

Food for thought.

I would choose an obviously Indian or Asian middle name rather than a British or International name, so when written down it's clear the name Aryan has nothing to do with Nazism.

I don't know if it's right, but I see the name as Arr- yan, not Air-ee-an.

Amra

Try reading my entire post before quoting the bits that suit you dear.

Please don't, or if you must spell it differantly.

I would particulary don't if he will have a European surname. Aryan smith (for example) could be more likely to be off putting and mean your child is judged. Life is hard enough without creating extra challenges.

Ps I once worked with a Dutch guy called Coon, lovely guy everytime he met anyone new he apologised for his name....

If it were pronounced air ree an I would be without having previously known the Indian origin (as I didn't before this thread)

If it was pronounced Ay ran or similar I wouldn't think twice but would change the spelling.

Whatever it means elsewhere, in the UK the poor kid is going to have to deal with everyone getting a frozen WTF? look on their face when he tells them his name.