Page 17 | The mushroom poisoning in Vic.... I am gripped

Dustyblue · 2023-08-09T03:58:28+00:00

This has been all over the news. I live one town over from Leongatha and believe me, it's the talk of the towns. We have loads of mushrooms around our place but wouldn't dream of eating them. About 90% of foraged mushrooms in Australia are poisonous. Then again, you do get groups of people who think they know what they're doing, and perhaps they do. Meanwhile this is suss-as. [[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-09/poisonous-mushroom-deaths-victoria-leongatha-explainer/102703430 Three people died from suspected mushroom poisoning after sharing a meal. Here's what we know - ABC News]]

Choux · 10/08/2023 07:36

Beef Wellington was the dish? So a layer of chopped mushroom better the beef and pastry.

Letting my imagination run wild you could possibly make two versions of the mushroom element and use the poisonous on one side of the pie and the unpoisonous on the other. With marks on the pastry indicating which side to serve your guests from.

With a dish that serves 8 for 5 guests the guests served first get the poisonous servings. Ladies served first and the vicar (the one still alive) served last possibly getting less poison. Host then serves herself and can eat relatively confident as she knows she got the unpoisoned side of the dish. For good measure she might leave the lower part of the mushroom / pastry as that is where juices might collect and comingle.

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 07:39

The police have not arrested her. They clearly do not believe that they yet have enough evidence, yet somehow you know better?

I am not saying I know better than the police. I am saying I am taking some of my cues from the behaviour of the police.

Lindy Chamberlain was found guilty c/- bad forensic science - a field that has come a long way since then.

Janieforever · 10/08/2023 07:47

The police have not arrested her. They clearly do not believe that they yet have enough evidence

im happy to open a book and bet that comment doesn’t age well…

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 10/08/2023 07:47

So possibly her estranged husband pulls out as he’s decided he doesn’t want to get back together with her? The extended family still go as they’ve been promised lunch.

LunaTheCat · 10/08/2023 07:52

It seems very risky to make something like a pie and intentionally serve poisoned pie to future victim and eat non poisoned bit yourself. It would also be risky if children sitting at the same table as poisoned mushrooms. .. the chance of it going wrong is very high.

Choux · 10/08/2023 07:52

Australian recipe for beef Wellington with photo. It would be pretty easy to mark on the pastry which half has the poisonous mushrooms.

www.delicious.com.au/recipes/make-beef-wellington/vv5swwbt

It's also potentially genius because the victims will have consumed all the evidence and the remains might not even test positive for death cap. She could also finish the leftovers for dinner before the others became ill.

I wonder what led police to the tip and the dehydrator? Was it because they wanted the remains of the meal and her domestic bins had already been collected by the council? It's a small place and News of the poisonings will have been talk of the town - perhaps the tip supervisor mentioned she had been there recently.

Or did she admit to adding foraged mushrooms and then, when police asked how as they are out of season, she had to say she had dried them and they wanted the dehydrator but she had taken it to tip? Did she take it in panic when she realised she had given them too much? Perhaps she just wanted to make them sick.

If there is anything on her phone / home computer re searching about the horse whisperer poisoning or the woolworths case she is in big trouble.

Choux · 10/08/2023 07:55

LunaTheCat · 10/08/2023 07:52

It seems very risky to make something like a pie and intentionally serve poisoned pie to future victim and eat non poisoned bit yourself. It would also be risky if children sitting at the same table as poisoned mushrooms. .. the chance of it going wrong is very high.

Depends what your intentions are. If you think you are only going to make them a bit sick, then the stakes aren't too high if you accidentally consume some mushrooms yourself. And beef Wellington is quite a grown up dish - the kids might not have any interest in eating it so had burgers or something they prefer cooked separately.

Objectrelations · 10/08/2023 07:56

MadamWhiteleigh · 09/08/2023 06:33

Gosh, that video of her outside her car….

Definitely did it on purpose

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 07:57

Either she planned this horrifying meal or she is a shit forager and accidentally poisoned them and is lying about not foraging the mushrooms to cover this up.

Once they have the forensics back and if they show the dehydrator has her dna on it, and if it also shows traces of death cap mushrooms, she will have to cough up to lying about having bought the mushrooms in a shop; and panicking and dumping the dehydrator.

If she was up front from the start, it would go better for her.

Janieforever · 10/08/2023 07:58

The 4 victims will have been interviewed extensively whilst they were still able. As will the husband and kids, people who knew them etc As such the police will have move info than they are releasing to the public. They will know who ate what, why they were there, the conversation, relationship, everything. They are being deliberately vague and non committal so as not to prejudice. But they will know much more than they are saying publicly.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/08/2023 08:00

Janieforever · 10/08/2023 07:47

The police have not arrested her. They clearly do not believe that they yet have enough evidence

im happy to open a book and bet that comment doesn’t age well…

It’s not a prediction; it’s an observation.

I’m actually surprised that she hasn’t been arrested yet because of the obvious circumstantial case. I expect her to be arrested at some point. Whether she is then charged remains to be seen.

She is the obvious suspect so it won’t surprise me if she turns out to have done it. I’m just giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Choux · 10/08/2023 08:01

According to this article she wanted the ex back, the ex was not interested and the in laws (and possibly the vicar relative) were trying to mediate:
Ms Patterson had invited her ex-husband Simon’s parents Gail and Don Patterson, his aunt Heather Wilkinson and her pastor husband Ian to her home in an effort to try and negotiate a reconciliation with her ex, according to the Daily Mailil^_.
Simon was also invited but pulled out at the last minute, a close friend of Simon’s told the publication.
“They went to her house for a mediation to talk to the family. Simon was supposed to go there for lunch but he pulled out in the last minute otherwise he would be in that death bed too,” the friend said, adding that Simon was not interested in getting back with the mother of his children.
www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/erin-patterson-claimed-to-police-mushrooms-were-bought-from-local-shop-as-her-exhusband-alleges-he-was-poisoned-last-year/news-story/c4377e688cd114d7d2e01e5bf116c7e1

MadamWhiteleigh · 10/08/2023 08:01

Thing is, we are missing the vital piece of information which is her explanation of where the mushrooms came from, how they were consumed and why some people ate them and some didn’t. It’s nearly impossible to judge without knowing that, and we don’t know that yet.

TheBrightestStarInTheSky · 10/08/2023 08:03

She wanted the inheritance money.
Her ex had a lucky escape.

Choux · 10/08/2023 08:09

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 07:57

Either she planned this horrifying meal or she is a shit forager and accidentally poisoned them and is lying about not foraging the mushrooms to cover this up.

Once they have the forensics back and if they show the dehydrator has her dna on it, and if it also shows traces of death cap mushrooms, she will have to cough up to lying about having bought the mushrooms in a shop; and panicking and dumping the dehydrator.

If she was up front from the start, it would go better for her.

But how will the police be able to work out if she did it deliberately or it was an accident?

Her reputation locally and how her relationship with ex and in-laws has been recently will help them form a view but will there be any evidence to indicate beyond reasonable doubt it was a crime? If she has told the police lies they can prove are lies then maybe but it's not certain.

I'd love to know what the locals who know the family think.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/08/2023 08:12

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 07:57

Either she planned this horrifying meal or she is a shit forager and accidentally poisoned them and is lying about not foraging the mushrooms to cover this up.

Once they have the forensics back and if they show the dehydrator has her dna on it, and if it also shows traces of death cap mushrooms, she will have to cough up to lying about having bought the mushrooms in a shop; and panicking and dumping the dehydrator.

If she was up front from the start, it would go better for her.

Nah. If she did it, it will be the internet searches that convict her. It’s always the internet searches.

Finding the hydrator with poison traces wouldn’t prove intent since, as you say, she could have panicked and dumped it.

Janieforever · 10/08/2023 08:17

MadamWhiteleigh · 10/08/2023 08:01

Thing is, we are missing the vital piece of information which is her explanation of where the mushrooms came from, how they were consumed and why some people ate them and some didn’t. It’s nearly impossible to judge without knowing that, and we don’t know that yet.

I don’t think we are missing this. She publicly made a statement saying she bought the mushrooms. It’s been reported it was beef wellington and we know her kids had a totally different meal. We don’t know what she ate, but one hundred percent the police do. It clearly wasn’t death cap mushrooms though.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/08/2023 08:18

But none of that makes any sense as a motive because it is so obvious that she will be the suspect. She’s not going to get to keep the house from prison.

If she did it, I think it will turn out to be a Graham Young- type killing (teacup poisoner). Nothing else makes sense because it’s a crime (if a crime did take place) that only points to one suspect. It’s like a locked room mystery except the alleged killer has carelessly locked herself in the room too!

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 10/08/2023 08:21

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/08/2023 08:12

Nah. If she did it, it will be the internet searches that convict her. It’s always the internet searches.

Finding the hydrator with poison traces wouldn’t prove intent since, as you say, she could have panicked and dumped it.

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I thought this yesterday. If she has internet searched stuff like “HoM much death cap does it take to kill someone” then she’s stuffed. Otherwise it’s going to be hard to prove intent.

Russooooo · 10/08/2023 08:21

Am I right in thinking this is a small town, everyone knows everyone type situation? It seems weird that there have been so few comments from anyone else in the community.

Janieforever · 10/08/2023 08:22

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/08/2023 08:18

But none of that makes any sense as a motive because it is so obvious that she will be the suspect. She’s not going to get to keep the house from prison.

If she did it, I think it will turn out to be a Graham Young- type killing (teacup poisoner). Nothing else makes sense because it’s a crime (if a crime did take place) that only points to one suspect. It’s like a locked room mystery except the alleged killer has carelessly locked herself in the room too!

We don’t know if she did try to kill her ex husband and all her in-laws or not, and we certainly don’t know motive. However, we are not the homicide division investigating this and they will have much more info than the public. They will not tell us , that would be during trial.

in my view however, there is never a reason to kill. Never mind mass murder, as is the indication here. So anyone who goes that route, and is a mass murderer, is not of the healthy and sound mind variety.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 10/08/2023 08:26

Some of us are actually being informed by the police who are making regular carefully worded press appearances updating on the case.

😂😂so you must be the lead armchair detective. Ffs

Tiqtaq · 10/08/2023 08:35

That interview in front of the car...

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 08:36

If she has told the police lies they can prove are lies then maybe but it's not certain.

It has already been established she told the police lies. She told them she bought the mushrooms in a local shop. So she's covering up something.

velvetandsatin · 10/08/2023 08:38

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