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Spencer Matthews: Finding Michael *MNHQ adding spoiler alert on this one*

89 replies

Moonicorn · 08/03/2023 22:19

AIBU to think there’s something a bit distasteful about this documentary? Filming dead bodies, risking the lives of Sherpas to find his brother who has long passed… okay I know they’re being paid, but it seems a bit exploitative, or is it me? Very sorry for his loss of course, but endangering more lives for the film just seems a bit 😐

I haven’t actually seen it by the way, I don’t have Disney+ but I also feel it would be a bit ‘ghoulish’. Maybe it’s just me.

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justheretoread111 · 08/03/2023 22:22

You could try watching it before you pass comment? 🙄

user1473878824 · 08/03/2023 22:24

I have a massive problem with people going to get bodies form Everest so while I appreciate that he wants to find his brother I’m avoiding it.

DrMeredithGrey2023 · 08/03/2023 22:26

As someone who has watched it, I can confirm that although the bodies may have been filmed, they certainly weren't shown.

It's actually a very interesting watch.

MarshaMelrose · 08/03/2023 22:27

Spencer Matthews is just an irritating person so I wouldn't watch for that reason alone.

The sherpas know what they're doing. They're probably being offered a ton of money which will make a difference to their lives. I think it's up to them to choose. I wouldn't think it's that unusual for relatives to pay them to retrieve bodies.

Genevieva · 08/03/2023 22:36

I think this documentary is not only a very personal journey, but it is also shining a light on a very important problem - the deadly Everest tourist industry. I was living in the region at the time that his brother died. People die up there every year. Everest should not be a rich man's tourist destination. The book Into Thin Air gives an insightful and eye-opening account of the narrow tourist season on Everest. The fact is that there are bodies littered up there. I think the Chinese have cleared a lot of them out of view now, but they are still there like discarded litter. It is horrifying really.

Genevieva · 08/03/2023 22:39

Note - I have never seen Spencer Matthews in anything previously.

The Sherpa population are adapted to high altitude living. Professional guides within the Sherpa community know the mountain like the backs of their hands. I would imagine this particular journey was safer than most because everyone will have been properly insured etc. No short cuts.

Cas112 · 08/03/2023 22:40

I feel like you should watch it before passing judgment 🥴

Paesano · 08/03/2023 22:44

Have watched it. Not sure that paying people to bring a body down is any more exploitative than paying the Sherpas to get you up the mountain. It's a good watch in my opinion.

Jusmakingit · 08/03/2023 22:45

Me and DH watched it this evening, I understand he wants to find his brother but after 20 odd years it was questionable that someone sending him a picture of a body seen on Everest they thought was his brother spurred them to set up this search team . Sadly one person from the search team knew who that body was and it wasn’t his brother. Soon the realisation that it is a very low possibility they would find him they carried on. The search team passing several dead bodies and then in the end decided to retrieve someone else’s brother to do some good.

DH was horrified there were so many bodies just laying around and after some Googling , it seems they are just literally scattered around even on the routes people pass . There’s clearly no respect for these peoples remains as online people say they are used as markers for the people climbing . I understand it costs a lot of money , time and other people’s lives to retrieve them from the mountain.

it’s very sad and I don’t think after 20 something years, even if they did find him I can’t imagine it would give them closure considering the state some of these bodies look like in the ice all this time. I understand his reasons and intentions behind it, and as he said being there and learning about the conditions of Everest and the route his brother did made him know more about him and made him feel more connected to him but I think it’s been to long to expect to find it.

UdoU · 08/03/2023 22:45

I can't watch a Made in Chelsea toff in anything, so I won't be watching, and don't have D+ anyway.

Oakorn · 08/03/2023 22:45

YABU. You’re criticising someone for trying to recover their brother’s body and raising awareness of an important issue even though you haven’t even watched what you’re criticising. You actually couldn’t be more unreasonable.

gooseduckchicken · 08/03/2023 22:45

You don't actually know if any of the things you find distasteful about it happened because you haven't watched it.

I do find it distasteful when people pass judgement on something using just their imagination to form their views.

UdoU · 08/03/2023 22:46

Oakorn · 08/03/2023 22:45

YABU. You’re criticising someone for trying to recover their brother’s body and raising awareness of an important issue even though you haven’t even watched what you’re criticising. You actually couldn’t be more unreasonable.

What is the important issue? Rich people going mountain climbing?

Marblessolveeverything · 08/03/2023 22:46

I see it as a man who is trying to help the ten year old boy who had his heart broken.

The Sherpas will keep going up and down the mountain. Something in him needed to try and give him and his family peace of bringing his brother home. I get it I would want to do the same.

Carriemac · 08/03/2023 22:46

YABU . It's a really interesting documentary and I really warmed to him and his family

Oakorn · 08/03/2023 22:47

UdoU · 08/03/2023 22:46

What is the important issue? Rich people going mountain climbing?

Yes, rich people are bad, we get the message. Let them all die.

DrMeredithGrey2023 · 08/03/2023 22:48

I had thought today that I'd cracked the reason it's release was pushed back - Mr Matthews Senior has some historical allegations made against him.

Turns out, Disney were concerned about all the dead people. Wonder if it was originally unblurred.

JamMakingWannaBe · 08/03/2023 22:49

I read an article in the weekend newspapers that there were two bodies in a cave climbers sheltered in. One was just called "Green Boots". They were eventually moved, but just out-of-sight and not off the mountain. Sad.

grosslyunfair · 08/03/2023 22:51

I enjoyed it. Spencer is a bit of a twat in my view and 'his story' was the weakest part of it but it showed the damage that such an early loss can do and also, clearly, the dangers and reality of Everest. I know it was a good narrative but I thought bringing at least one body home was a humane thing to do. Also showed that even with massive resources it's impossible to bring most people down if they die up there.

It showed the beauty of the area, the impressiveness of the Sherpas, the folly of attempting it casually and how ruined the mountain has been by tourism.

ISpyCobraKai · 08/03/2023 22:52

There's a great documentary on Netflix about the Sherpas, called, Sherpa, so easy to remember.
I'd also recommend Everest, the film.

derbylass81 · 08/03/2023 22:53

I haven't seen it yet but keen to do so.

Very sad. I knew there were bodies on Everest, but I didn't realise they were in plain sight and still just left. That is horrifying.

So when his brother died then, they know nothing? As far as they know he was on Everest and then.....nothing. Is that right?

DrMeredithGrey2023 · 08/03/2023 22:54

derbylass81 · 08/03/2023 22:53

I haven't seen it yet but keen to do so.

Very sad. I knew there were bodies on Everest, but I didn't realise they were in plain sight and still just left. That is horrifying.

So when his brother died then, they know nothing? As far as they know he was on Everest and then.....nothing. Is that right?

They now the general area that he was last seen in - his guide went in front of him due to higher than normal winds I believe, and turned round at some point to find him gone

pristinesurfacesGBTD · 08/03/2023 22:54

Genevieva · 08/03/2023 22:39

Note - I have never seen Spencer Matthews in anything previously.

The Sherpa population are adapted to high altitude living. Professional guides within the Sherpa community know the mountain like the backs of their hands. I would imagine this particular journey was safer than most because everyone will have been properly insured etc. No short cuts.

Insurance doesn't keep you safe, it pays out money to relatives of the dead

derbylass81 · 08/03/2023 22:55

Thank you @DrMeredithGrey2023

How very sad Sad

WestOfWestminster · 08/03/2023 22:56

I thought it was a very kind thing to do for the Sherpa's family of the man they bought home.
I wasnt sure whether the offer to bring him home was dependant on them being unsuccessful in the search for Michael though, because if it was that seems like a very cruel thing to do to a poor family. Perhaps it was the way it was edited but they could have made it clearer.

I don't agree the sherpas in this particular search party were exploited, it looked like they were very organised, professional and well briefed, and it was clear they weren't going to take unnecessary risks just to recover a body.

I think the film highlighted the issues surrounding Everest though, and perhaps make people more interested in the reality of what goes on there.