Robbing from Tesco with impunity *edited by MNHQ*

Attacking females, protecting criminals, policing tweets, intimidating people and buying coffee at McDonald's?

Was reading this article in the Mail today and reminded me of this thread. It quotes a Co op worker who sustained a head injury after being bottled by someone after trying to stop them stealing alcohol. Maybe this is why shop workers won't approach these people and don't need people like the OP "challenging" their decision.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12397705/Moment-shoplifter-empties-shelf-wine-spirits-bag-daylight-Op-raid-Lawless-London-sneering-staff-Ill-tomorrow-time.html#comments

'I took my hand off my head and realised I was bleeding. I felt it trickling all down my neck and chest - my work shirt was red with blood.

'In the two years I've worked there, we've had staff pushed and spat at, smacked. It shouldn't be happening.

'Since this incident I completely stay out of the way of shoplifters now and I worry about colleagues putting themselves in danger. We don't feel safe.'

I bet the officer was just 😡 that her new 'pixie cut' was giving off lesbian granny vibes. 😂😂😂

I don't get why OP won't say where it was, either.

It's hardly going to be personally identifying.

It isn't 50 pounds worth of vodka though is it if it happens every day and many people do it. The police are a waste of time.

stbrandonsboat · Yesterday 23:22
TreadLight · Yesterday 22:42

@Elis44 , weird isn't it. You'd think that with more police, there would be less crime. What on earth are they doing?

Attacking females, protecting criminals, policing tweets, intimidating people and buying coffee at McDonald's?

You forgot: sending inappropriate messages to each other, getting away with inappropriate behaviour that's been reported to their superiors and (Top Cops speciality) = presiding over the shambles that is the Met police force (other forces are also available).

I have every confidence in law and order. 😆

Fuckers. No wonder prices are rocketing for the rest of us.
My daughter used to work in a shop selling stuff for the home. They used to have a massive problem with Yankee candle theft. And yeah, the thieves were pretty much untouchable.
It's depressing that there's no punishment anymore. I see it all the time in the high school where I work, so the sense of entitlement starts young.

What a sad way to view your life.

It’s honest though

And as predicted they are starting to lock down high streets having seen evidence of mass lootings being planned. There will be curfews soon. No breakdown of society? Fucking chilling.

We have been told recently that it is now gross misconduct for us to follow a customer out of the store, so that's why they won't get challenged by staff. They technically haven't stolen until they've left the store, and once they have left the store there's nothing we can do. If they are taking it so brazenly without even trying to conceal it, they obviously aren't scared of any potential confrontation either. Can't really expect someone on minimum wage to put themselves in danger trying to protect stock, when they've been specifically told not to, and could potentially lose their job (or worse) for doing so.

You just have to start making a few examples to make the others desist.

Alternatively, anyone got a prison hulk anywhere? I'm not too concerned about the hygiene on it...

More police officers on paper, but when it takes six hours before an officer is back on the streets after making an arrest because of the amount of mostly pointless paperwork. In Canada by contrast that figure is just an hour. Spending ages on hold to CPS Direct is also a waste of time (I was a victim of crime in February by the way, all caught on bodycam, several witnesses, a weapon involved, and the man was arrested shortly afterwards; I'm still waiting for the CPS to decide whether or not to charge him).

Paperwork is also a major cause of the knife crime epidemic. In the old days, if you hadn't conducted a couple of searches per shift the sergeant would be wondering if you were asleep on the job. These days the requirements are so onerous and the practice discouraged by politicians that some officers haven't done a search in months. Stop and search saves lives. Theresa May in particular bears significant responsibility. One of the reasons that the practice is discouraged is community relations. But then look at the riots in Cardiff recently where some kids riding illegal scrambler bikes were killed. Despite the reaction of the rioters I'd like to bet that most people weren't very sympathetic to a couple of feral teens who had been causing havoc around the community. When the police started ramming moped thieves, most people cheered.

Then there's mispers. People reported missing. Sometimes it's serious, sometimes it's the same kid in care who goes missing three times a night. That ties resources up. The police also end up filling in the gaps in other services. They end up dealing with people with mental health issues who really should have some kind of proper care.

The courts have also gone soft, partly down to sentencing guidelines aimed at keeping the prison population in check, partly because judges and magistrates live privileged lives insulated from the effects that crime cause in a community. They see the scrote on his best behaviour, his lawyer bringing in a girl to claim that a baby is on the way (no one ever checks nine months later to see whether there ever was a baby) and the judge/magistrate feels sorry for him and gives him a non-custodial sentence. So a handful of individuals make up a substantial proportion of police workloads because they never get locked up. Community sentences are viewed as a joke. Lock up a few recidivists for five years and you'll find the local burglary rate will plummet.

Well nobody in power cares. They are only focused on not stopping the boats whilst this is happening and NHS cancer waiting list times are quietly dropped.

Maybe supermarkets will close down and become giant warehouses where it's online shopping only.

Shops are only going to put in security measures if it makes sense to do so. We have two supermarkets in our town: a Sainsburys and a Waitrose. Neither of them have barriers nor security guards and both have quick scan (where you just pick up a handscanner and scan all your own shopping). It's a low crime area, with low rates of shoplifting, so why would they bother inconveniencing their customers with barriers and go to the expense of hiring security guards?

They would be an ideal and very soft target for shoplifting of course, but the funny thing about criminals is that they mostly operate in surroundings that they are comfortable in - looters and rioters for example, always seem to target JD Sports rather than, say, Harrods. Similarly shoplifters generally only target shops and areas that they would normally shop in were they not on the rob.

Supermarkets could just do online deliveries and close the doors or they could revert to the olde corner grocery where you ask for stuff over a counter. It would solve all the ‘lonely old folk need human contact’ complaints about self scanning.

Ha!

Perhaps shopping will become click and collect.

Yep, my daughter works in a big fashion store. At the end of each day they pick up tonnes of labels people have cut off of clothes. Even if they see someone steal something they aren’t allowed to challenge them. There is no security guard and no staff on the changing room. One guy goes around the industrial park going into all the big stores with a ski bag and fills it up.

If they physically stopped you they could be done for assault I would think.

Not true. Unless you're talking about a level of physicality/violence beyond what's needed to prevent a crime.

But tackling a thug will very possibly result in you being on the receiving end of physical violence so 'reasonable force' is kind of a moot point unless you're able to physically restrain them. Really, you'd be safer injuring them enough that they're incapacitated and can't retaliate (e.g. bludgeon them over the head) but then you're getting into criminal territory yourself.