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AIBU?

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to be angry at my sister who is STILL smoking in her 2nd pregnancy despite her 1st baby being born early with breathing problems and low weight?

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ilikeyoursleeves · 07/06/2010 18:30

I saw my sister today and despite her saying she would give up this time she is still smoking heavily whilst pregnant (currently around 5 months). As the title says, her DD was in SCBU for a few days after birth with breathing problems and low weight. OK we will never know if her smoking heavily throughout that pregnancy was a causal factor in this, but it certainly wouldn't have helped. Sister was worried it was caused by her smoking and I never suggested it was to her as she was obviously going through a tough time after the birth.

But you would think she would therefore rethink the fags while pregnant thing now, but no she is still puffing away quite the thing. I asked her today if she was going to give up (or at least try, I said I knew how hard it is etc) but all she said was 'it's fine, I had my 20 week scan and his lungs are fine, it won't affect the baby'.

WTF! I mean, even the thought of a Dr having to check an unborn babies lungs would be enough to shock me into stopping! Not that I even think they can tell anything by looking at lungs on a scan, I think she is just telling herself that to make herself feel better.

I know some will say 'her body, her choice' but it's not just her body is it?

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Wanderingsheep · 07/06/2010 21:44

Oh Midori I'm so sorry. I can understand why you feel so angry.

ilikeyoursleeves · 07/06/2010 21:45

And yes I also think she is lying about them 'checking the lungs'. When her DD was born and put into SCBU she said it was because she had 'pneumonia' but I read her medical notes and there was no mention of it at all. And I don't think you can be born with pneumonia as far as I know.

She utterly does my head in. Never really got on with her so anything she does tends to annoy me anyway but this just takes the biscuit.

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hairytriangle · 07/06/2010 21:47

YABU. you cant' judge other people like that. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear. I think she's being unreasonable, but at the end of the day, people make their own choices, bad and good.

hairytriangle · 07/06/2010 21:48

you read her medical notes? Does she know that?

Wanderingsheep · 07/06/2010 21:49

It used to make me so angry when I was pregnant and I used to see women in the doorway of the antenatal/maternity bit smoking. I know it's up to them what they do but it just annoys me.

BritFish · 07/06/2010 21:50

Midori, im so sorry for your loss, you have every right to be angry, i really hope your family does not have to suffer another loss because of her thoughtlessness

ilikeyoursleeves · 07/06/2010 21:57

hairytriangle she gave me her notes, and her DD's, to read.

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SirBoobAlot · 07/06/2010 21:57

Midori, I was thinking of you the other day. I hope she comes to her sense. And I really hope you are okay as you can be right now. x

ilikeyoursleeves · 07/06/2010 21:59

And also hairytriangle I feel I can judge her as she is carrying a defenceless baby who can't speak for himself. Who also happens to be my unborn nephew.

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MrsDrOwenHunt · 07/06/2010 22:01

x midori x

winnybella · 07/06/2010 22:28

Midori- i am so sorry for your loss

BritFish- definitely smoking adds up to the toxins foetus is exposed to, no doubt. I hope no one here thought that I am exactly defending smoking in pg or as such, rather was trying to show that doctors (ime) don't think that a small amount is v.harmful. But that's anecdotal evidence, obviously.
Wrt pesticides, no, I think every one agrees they are bad for you. That is, our bodies are made for filtering out and eliminating toxins, but if you keep on ingesting them every day (or inhaling or absorbing through the skin etc), then it gets too much for the body to deal with them. I don't think it's just a scam. I don't buy only organic, though, too expensive. But there's a body of evidence that growing rates of cancer are influenced, among others, by pesticides and many among them are, simply, carcinogens, but our food agencies have limits on reasonable amounts that are supposed to be safe for humans. From what I read that's not always the case ie their safety isn't really proved.

hairytriangle · 07/06/2010 22:32

ilikeyoursleeves yes, but the thing is, you can't do anything about it so it's a bit of a wasted emotion. Clearly no amount of worrying/nagging/etc will persuade her to stop, so you will unfortunately have to live with it by the sounds of things.

mamasparkle · 08/06/2010 08:58

I am so sorry to hear about your babies, Midori.xx

ShowOfHands · 08/06/2010 09:05

Midori, I'm so terribly sorry.

People only hear what they want to. My SIL smoked during pregnancy because the GP told her it would help control her asthma. Gawd only knows what he actually said.

BalloonSlayer · 08/06/2010 09:14

Does your sister not realise that the baby is in water and receives its oxygen through its bloodstream via the placenta, and not through its lungs?

I mean does she think there is an air tube between her lungs and the baby's or something?

Of course its lungs are OK . . . they haven't breathed anything yet. FFS

BalloonSlayer · 08/06/2010 09:17

"And yes I also think she is lying about them 'checking the lungs'. "

Actually, on reflection, I agree. I knew someone whose baby died shortly after birth from a lung problem. There was absolutely nothing that could be done as because the lungs do not inflate until birth they are virtually impossible to inspect on the scan, other than to say that they are present.

maltesers · 08/06/2010 09:28

No YANBU. . .your sister is very foolish. . . .!!

porcamiseria · 08/06/2010 09:50

hmm, I'd stay away. as the odd smoker when pg (shame on me, I know) even I disapprove of this

but nothing you say will do anything, so maybe avoid her and if she asks, explain why

Ronaldinhio · 08/06/2010 09:53

yabu it's up to her

Tryharder · 08/06/2010 09:59

My mum is a heavy smoker and smoked throughout her pregnancies, no doubt over us in the bloody hospital and then throughout our childhood, in enclosed spaces, in the car etc (early 70s when no-one thought to do differently).

Both my DB and I were premature and while we, as adults, are in good health (I suppose), I suffered dreadfully as a child from persistant chest infections, coughs that lasted for weeks
, colds, pneumonia on one occasion. Even now, when I get a cough, it's always a bad one and lasts ages. The general consensus is that I was/am "weak chested"

No-one has ever linked it to smoking because a child getting a bad cough is not seen as a big deal. But I can remember always having a cough at school when no-one else really had them and looking back I always wonder if it was down to be constantly smoked on.

porcamiseria · 08/06/2010 09:59

AWWW SO SORRY MIDORI... tragic loss

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