in thinking Measles can't be more dangerous now than it was 15 years ago ?

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Hi

Wondering if there are any GP's out there that can tell me this ?

My eldest child is 15 and I still have his baby books and they say Measles is a mild disease and just to keep their temperature down etc, they liken it to chickenpox. I remember not being worried about it at all when he and his 11 year old brother were small.

Fast forward 14 years and we have a 1 year old who is at "huge risk from this killer disease" according our GP, but I can't understand how it can have changed so much.

Can anyone tell me, is Measles worse now than it was 15 years ago and if so why ?

Thanks

Novicemama, how about finding out how many claims for vaccine damage overall, not just the ones approved for payout?

Or how.many of the hospitalized patients had permanent damage (obvs aside from the one death)

Then you might be getting closer to comparing like for.like (although still not anywhere close enough. It is virtually impossible to report a vaccine side effect now, so claims for vaccine damage are prob nowhere near where they should be)

I had measles 60 years ago and have been deaf in one ear ever since.

Careful now pranma- you dont want to go equating not vaccinating with deafness

"And the chances of a child contracting autism from MMR-very rare"

so you accept it's a possibility?

"and also unfounded" what, in every way unfounded? what do you mean?

rare and unfounded?

this is blither, redwine

and contracting autism? really very wrong and blithery

The fact a child may develop autism that can be linked to the MMR (usually around the time of the vaccine)is rare, and it is unfounded because there is NO evidence that proves it is due to the vaccine.

Call me whatever you want backtotalkaboutthis, im not going to rise to your bait.

If you feel autism is caused by the MMR vaccine then contracted is a valid term to use.

If you accept it's rare, you accept it can happen. Therefore not unfounded.

There is evidence that the vaccine can cause regression. There is no proof, as yet: but then there is no proof it does not.

I would very much like to hear the views of children who are affected by autism who are NOT convinced the vaccine is to blame...

I see no reason to change my opinion that you don't seem to have much of an idea about this whole subject, but you do have a lot of one-sided info which suits your own prejudice. If you want to debate sensibly, you shouldn't make such silly generalisions and and all that rubbish. Maybe read a few links too.

You don't have to, but then, if you did, it would show through in your posts.

Thats your view, im sure many people think the same about your posts and 'opinions' which is in fact what they are.

i wasnt allowed to have a measles vaccination when i was a child due to the guidelines att he time, and i got it when i was about 10

i was really very ill with it, and my mother had it when a new born, which badly affected her eyesight

afaik it has always been considered a serious illness

I'm sure you would. It's nice to read stuff that suits one's preconceived view. It's more challenging to look at other material.

And you know for a fact I haven't don't you? Thats good, you keep telling yourself that.

TBh I think anybody who has considered it seriously, even if they continue to support a vaccine programme, or are "agnostic" as swc puts it, does not make generalisations and sweeping statements as you have.

You're right, that's my opinion. But it's my experience too, that those who've really looked at it, are less caustic and dismissive, even though they continue to maintain their point of view.

hello! My name is silverfrog, and I have an autistic daughter, whose autism was not "contracted" following mmr. Sadly, she cannot give you her own views, redredwine, as she has a severe speech disorder.

Anything else I can help you.with?

Lovely- using your daughter to attempt to score points now, you have a lovely way of debating!

err, no. You said a few posts back that you wanted to hear the views of autistic children who were not convinced the vaccine was to blame...

I was merely.offering my.services, although I think you know.ky views. I think you probably meant you wanted to hear from parents, but in case you didn't, I thought I'd point out why of answered for my dd...

Sadly, she cannot give you her own views, redredwine, as she has a severe speech disorder.

You cannot even see how low you stoop (like the 'paraphrasing' earlier) to try and make yourself look more valid, its woeful really.

Btw Redwine, when I start to arrive at the dark side of this question, it was through reading the studies which dismissed the suggestion of any link with autism. I ordered the BMJ (you had to in those days!) and read the first Danish Merck study. I thought, well, this doesn't say what it says it says in the conclusion.

There was also a study which looked at the ages of those with autism which seemed to ignore an enormous piece of evidence, then there were a couple more which seemed to have really significant flaws. So I arrived by reading the studies meant to reassure me.

I thought, cripes, is this the best they've got. There must be something in it after all. And I became more convinced by the treatment of the 1800 involved in the legal case. So it was reading the opposing arguments that set me off.

Well, actually, that was just fact. She does have a severe speech disorder.

Do you really want the views of ASD children then? I mean, I'm not for censoring at all, but I'm not sure I'd be discussing vaccine implicating with dd1 regardless...

I can asked her if you want though?