to be shocked how class prejudice is seen as OK

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If anyone posted about a race issue they would be BLASTED, and rightly so

but there seems to be an acceptance (from some, not all) that to be disparaging of the social mores of the white working classes is just fine, no problem!

their eating habits
baby hairbands
pierced earrings
football shirts
the stupid fucking greggs, fruit shoot joke
anyone that posts using text speak/poor grammer
and so on...
posting in a way that mocks the way they speak
a vile thtread from someone I wont name about @chavs@ in her park

I am not tarring everyone with the same brush, but I think its rather sad that its seen as "ok" to disparage a certain group

How people dress or behave is not a working/middle/upper class thing.

It's got nothing to do with money either, just look at the behaviour and attire of those in the sleb rags or gossip pages.

Oh and the use of text speak is actually bad manners....

pink TBH your post did not rile me that much, it was a straw camel back scenario IYSWIM?

and I had to chuckle at some of the comments I got on the thread about how I should not have said solids, I should have said baby food... questions whether the baby food I had made was organic...assumptions that I was superior...

so yes I suppose their was some sort of prejudice going on, but I certainly did not start it.

I think you are being over sensitive, I didn't say there was anything wrong in being middle class. It just amuses me watching people parading their middle class virtues. I am sure I also amuse people in my own little norther working class salt of the earth manner.

I agree with katycarr and there was a thread on here the other day 'how much of a middle class cliche are you?' or something like that.

You are getting confused between displaying prejudice towards people for things out of their control (race, sex, sexuality) which is wrong, and displaying prejudice towards people for behaviours they choose to adopt. Which is not prejudice at all really, in the sense that you are wrongly prejudging them. If they choose to feed their childrewn shit, then yes, they can be rightly judged as being twats, for instance. If they choose to write in text speak, they may be judged as twats by people who hate textspeak.

It is OK to judge the behaviours people CHOOSE to adopt otherwise everyone would just be running around raping and murdering people - the reason they don't is because we have bought censure to bear on behaviours we don't like as a society. Judging certain behaviours as wrong is why we have to wear seatbelts, can't drink and drive, can't smoke in pubs - all positive things. You could argue that the behaviours people are judging are actually OK, but you can't argue that we shouldn't judge behaviour at all (unless you are an anarchist, of course).

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Sausage that has been my favourite thread for a while.

When we are with people, with whom we share values we tend to act in an almost tribal manner.

I am equally amused watching the horsey set at work. It is not hate filled bile more a fond, fascinated, kind of amusement.

I would identify most of my friends as middle class, so I am hardly an angered class warrior out for revolution. As I said I know I amuse my friends with my little ways.

Got to say I thought the baby headband thread was poor taste though - I mean that really was judging.

oh the correct term would have been baby hair accessories or something along those lines..

So HEADBANDS now mark your children out as chav scum? For crying out loud...

I think when you come on MN it is impossible to avoid peoples class prejudices, whether it is discussions about chav behaviour or the regular assumptions that upper class/wealthy people are venal and selfish or that middle class people are boring and smug

You just pick an angle.

Th funny thing is that most people have no clue about what class they are because it is a moveable feast, their angst is nearly always about where they fit in and mostly people are talking about money - which has nothing to do with class

Oh do go have no fun with someone else Imarriedafrog

I think there are just many people on here who are genuinely scared of the fact that they might be, just a tiny bit, common ordinary.

As in average, nothing special.

One of the herd...

So they set up their stalls in the middle class camp in an attempt to avoid it.

Daft really, there is nothing wrong with being a bit common

I'm really not sure about all of this.

People behave in a tribal manner (as someone earlier on mentioned). We all have things that we identify with and things that we think are not good.

The question is, if someone thinks it's crap for eg a baby to wear a hairband, what is the likelihood that the person with the baby and the hairband gives a flying toss? Is the person with the baby with the hairband likely to be sniggering at something the hairband naysayer is doing? Very possibly.

When two people walking along looking at each other make judgements, is harm done? If I am walking along and pass a young man with a shaved head and a huge dog in the "attack" style, am I being out of order for thinking "what a cock"? Meanwhile, he is, if he even gives me a second thought (which he more than likely doesn't), very possibly thinking something dispariging back.

Does any of this matter? I'm not sure it does. As long as it doesn't result in prejudice which affects peoples lives - if that young man came into my workplace I would not treat him any differently to another client - so I'm not sure there is a problem.

What the OP is missing is that dispariging attitudes like this cut both ways.

wise words pag and harder

why are frog and pink fighting??

Very true.

It's all a bit Hyacinth and Rose Bucket.