in thinking that the Government cannot possibly ensure people are better off working than on benefits unless they increase wages massively?

[TheJollyPirate]

TBH I cannot see how the Govt are going th achieve their aim to make sure "nobody is better off financially on benefits than in work".

I work part-time as I have a son with a disability. I take home £849 and get Tax credit of £190 plus Child benefit of course - Working Tax credit adds another £50 - all in all just over £1100. I am just over the limit for housing benefit and all other help although if DLA is approved for my son that may change a bit.

One of my families gets housing benefit of £700 a month plus tax credit, plus income support, plus child benefit. On paper at least they out-strip me and unless wages drastically improve (oh - was that a recession I just saw over there) then nothing much CAN change. The Govt are talking big but cannot deliver no matter what they say.

I will stay worse off financially than the family I work with who will remain unemployed because wages are NEVER going to amount to enough for them to get work and maintain their home. Not their fault and I am more fortunate in other ways but financially - nah - they are doing a bit better than me (but probably only just).

I am watching the Govt but not holding my breath on this one.

Or do you know different?

If so - explain because I am being a bit thick about it.

So a big YES to women who have been abused, women who have never had sex, women for whom it will destroy their relationships, being forced into working in teh sex industry.

pleased to see that applies to working in lapdancing clubs as well. I am sure they will be very pleased with the large input of fresh young 16yo straight out of school.

Personally, adultchat won't be my first choice of work, naturally. It will probably be at the limit of what I would be prepared to do to put food on the table. And I would use it as a temporary measure.

But there are a lot of things that are worse. And there are a lot of things I would do to protect my dcs and give them a better life.

I don't have a problem with it being offered as one of the options at a job centre. But I have a problem with it being a compulsory job leading benefits being withdrawn if the person did not accept.

It is not for everyone, obviously. And is on the borderline of sexual exploitation - though the more practical minded and emotionally robust could make a go of it for a time.

But neither should it be written off as an employment option in a nanny-state way.

Imsonottelling - people at the job centre dont have to take anything though. My brothers best mate said they wouldnt work in 'poundland as it was trampy' to the job centre advisor whilst they were on jsa and the advisor just found them something else. My brother thought that was a ridiculous thing to say and said to his mate who said 'well what if someone I knew saw me in the uniform'

I doubt they are going to be forcing womens in droves in to being strippers from school. [hmmm]

She sure as hell didn't say NO.

She said, well if I have to do it, I don;t see why other people shouldn't.

I forgot the webcams as well.

Get the 16 yo on teh webcams. Who cares if they're never gone past kissing. Get them online and wanking for the boys ASAP.

I have told you that they are strongly considering changing the rules so that people cannot turn down work.

That was in my original post.

Gosh it's all got a bit silly hasn't it.

Personally as I said before I'd scrub toilets before I'd see my family situation change and I'd scrub toilets before I'd work on a sex chat line but some of the dozzy cow/wanna be wags you see around town at night aged 16 and younger I'd imagine that sort of thing would be right up their street and they wouldn't break their nails.
You see worse being given out for free in the toilets in nightclubs these days.

actually there is an aletnative in other countries with no benefits, tht doesn't involve sex work, it's called sponging off friends and family. one of my BIL's is one of those spongers.

Young girls = sluts = put them to work in the sex industry it's all they're good for?

Put them to work on sexlines when they are under the age of 16????

There is a lot of illegal activity which is quite lucrative that doens't involve sex.

ISNT, it is right that people cannot turn down work at poundland indefinitely, if they don't have skills to do anything better.

If taking up work is going to be made a condition, then it follows that there must be exceptions, like adultchat or stripping.

Heartless as the Tories might be perceived, I doubt even they could weather the maelstorm if 16s were forced into prostitution courtesy of the state.

I think i'd rather go down that route than sex work TBH.

herbietea yes sorry. She said that she was undecided on whether it was a positive thing to force women into working in the sex industry.

I was in my 20's when I worked nights as well, it fucked me good and proper, still suffer from insomnia now 3yrs after quitting

and as for "choosing which privates rents they want" in regards to private rental...........it's not quite that simple. You have to find a landlord willing to accept Housing benefit, no mean feat....

So long as my landlord doesn't decide to sell up then I'll probably choose to stay here even once I'm working again, but at least if he did sell up once I'm working again I'll have a proper choice of where to move to.

I'msonottelling you need a night out in a big city, I was horrified, not all of course but the behavior of some left me speechless, I don't know about you but I never gave blow jobs in the toilets of busy pubs.

Well let's wait and see eh.

The fact they are advertising sex work as a state approved job in the first place speaks volumes.

And people on this thread aren't exactly rushing in to say that people shouldn't be forced into it. Seems to be a certain amount of umming and aahing, when you would expect people to automatically say "that is wrong".

There is the right job for the right person. Adult chat could very well be the right stopgap job for the 16 year old wag-wannabe that mamatomany describes. Just not compulsory.

Look I am definitely leaving this thread now all I am saying is that there are many ways around things. I am not forcing anyone to become a 'sex worker'. I am just saying that there are many ways around things with wtc, ctc, flexible working etc. I think all parents with school/aged 3 (getting nursery entitlement kids + they could use wtc/ctc to add to their income) should be looking for employment or doing at least something to . It is hard at the present time due to the recession.

Below I have done 2 calculations for 3 kids, rent £150 a week, council tax £1200 a year. One working making £7,500 k a year

www.turn2us.entitledto.co.uk/calcresults.aspx?sid=13&cid=216328fa-601e-4727-b789-282 5706f730e

the other making nothing

www.turn2us.entitledto.co.uk/calcresults.aspx?sid=13&cid=c7bc41fd-2195-4ffc-b7a7- f39ef9c0c4d4

there isnt that much between the two. I personally cant see why you wouldnt look for work but maybe I am missing something. You would make back what you lost you just wouldnt make any extra.

Some would say that a 16yo who is giving blow jobs in a pub toilet, has enough problems already, without beign forced into sex work.

Some of you really hate women and girls don't you.

This is 16yo and younger, being forced to work on sex lines, that's what you're talking about.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Who is forcing 16 yo and younger to work on sex lines?

sunshine, if the net disposal income from 2 options is the same (taking childcare into consideration), then the default must be employment. There should not be the option to go on benefits in those circumstances.

You and I would probably agree on that.

Considering that the age of consent is 16 I doubt the government is going to force 16 and under to work on sex lines

Thats for if you work and make £7500

Credits-Initial Tax Credit£20,834.00 £399.56

Tax Credits£20,834.00 £399.56

Working tax credit and child tax credit.

Council Tax Benefit £1,175.34 £22.

Housing Benefit£7,741.91 £148.47

Your full rent of £150.00 per week will be reduced by £148.47 per week because of your entitlement to Housing Benefit. This means you will have to pay £1.53 each week. Our calculation is based on you receiving £256.55 from working tax credit and an Income of £143.01 from child tax credit.

Other income entitlementsChild Benefit
£2,455.92

£47.10 Total Entitlements

£32,207.17£617.67

Hilarious, I don't hate women, I hate that kind of woman who might encourage a young boy to think that was the norm and expect a similar service from my daughter or allow my son to behave in an equally appalling manner, neither party were embarrassed despite everyone in the toilets who saw their display expressing their disgust.

ax Credits-Initial Tax Credit £7,456.95 £143.01

Tax Credits £7,456.95 £143.01
Child tax credit.

Council Tax Benefit £1,199.80 £23.01

You should not have to pay Council Tax as you qualify for full Council Tax Benefit. Our calculation is based on you receiving £143.01 from child tax credit.

Housing Benefit £7,821.42 £150.00 You should not have to pay rent as you qualify for full Housing Benefit.

For more information on what qualifies see eligible rent for Housing Benefit Our calculation is based on you receiving £143.01 from child tax credit.
Other income entitlements
Child Benefit £2,455.92 £47.10