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to think the Daily Mail should come with a mental health warning?

39 replies

MNHubbie · 16/05/2010 19:28

Today or yesterday's Hate Mail (DW spotted article in the rag at my father's house and I didn't note what day it was from) featured something that could arguably be called an article by someone called Hitchins. In his article he did not state it was his opinion but that it was a "FACT" that ADHD doesn't exist and that shrinks and doctors are ripping people off. He then went on to attack Ben Goldacre (not by name but by profession) for not having exposed this horror.

OK. Does anyone know who this journalist is? What are his clinical and psychiatric qualifications to make this statement? What double-blind studies has he done in this area? Has he published reviews of other people's work to support his conclusions? What is his standing amongst his peers as a scientist?

This is an incredible break-through he has made and it will fundamentally change everything. He claims that ADHD is caused by bad parenting! Wow, imagine what we can do now we know that.

Alternatively he is a lying little shit with no comprehension of what he is talking about and his pathetic little rant has the potential to endanger a huge amount of children. Getting understanding of conditions like ADHD, dyspraxia and Asperger's syndrome is difficult enough.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Ritalin. Unlike Mr Hitchin I don't claim to be an expert but here is one small thing to consider... if a drug acts as a stimulant to a large percentage of the population but as a depressant to those with an identified condition doesn't that kinda suggest the condition exists? It doesn't mean the pills are the best thing to take, that isn't my debate or point here, far from it I really don't want to get into that. My issue is with someone with no qualifications, expertise or experience denying the existence of something that is an everyday reality to a great many people.

Now if he is an expert then I'll want to see his research.

...talking of which he lays down a challenge to those who expose "bad science" to expose this... when he presents no facts, talks of no studies and presents a subjective opinion as an objective one... exactly the sort of thing Ben Goldacre and others attack!

So... am I wrong about this Hitchin guy, is he an expert in his field?

What do you think about the presentation of unsubstantiated opinions as facts in a national newspaper?

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Lynli · 16/05/2010 20:04

Hi, don't know anything about ADHD but my Mother in Law has the Daily Mail, we must forgive her for she does have alzheimers. Anyway it is always good for a laugh we call it the Biggots Bugle.

MNHubbie · 16/05/2010 22:21

lol @ Biggots Bugle

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Cretaceous · 16/05/2010 22:30

I'm hooked on the Daily Mail online - would obviously never buy the paper, but love to surf if I have a spare moment. It has me spluttering over my morning cup of tea in indignation - and I keep going back to read it! The paper really hates women, and is obsessed with wrinkles, clothes, fat etc etc. And the comments people leave - frightening! Love Biggots Bugle, Lynli.

tethersend · 16/05/2010 22:33

Have posted this about 50 times, but nobody ever laughs and it usually kills the thread.

I don't care though, it makes me laugh.

nighbynight · 16/05/2010 22:35

Not surprised that they have done ADHD over, with the usual mix of nonsense and truths or possibilities that you are likely to agree with. Yesterday, they were laying into depression - apparently Marian Keyes is just imagining it too according to that renowned expert, Janet Street-Porter.

nighbynight · 16/05/2010 22:36

tether - that is one of my all time favourite games!

tethersend · 16/05/2010 22:39
Grin
xstitch · 16/05/2010 22:42

I was really upset by that article on depression when I was shown it at work yesterday. I have been really struggling the past few weeks and tbh things like that push me perilously close to not coping any more. I am laden with guilt for suffering from depression.

Before anyone says I know it is irrational to be upset by the smug rantings of a newspaper columnist, I can't help it.

So yes MNHubbie it should definately come with a mental health warning.

Cretaceous · 16/05/2010 22:47

Yes, the JSP article was a real splutterer. xstitch, you're being totally irrational. She'd probably have been happy to write an article with a totally opposite perspective if the DM had asked her to...

nighbynight · 16/05/2010 22:54

xstitch - I was a little bit upset too. It was a very nasty article, not at all researched, playing on prejudices. I wondered whether to garner sympathy on here, but concluded that it was better not to give it any more publicity.

Like the OP, I have doubts about Ritalin being used a lot (it is advertised on PENS in our local drs surgery! I mean, how many ADHD patients who really, really need Ritalin can they have? Not enough to warrant advertising it all over the place), but would have got a bit upset at an article blaming it all on parenting.

xstitch · 16/05/2010 23:05

Cretaceous In my post I admitted to being irrational. There is not a day goes by that I don't want to punish myself for being such a little shit but as I said I can't help it. It is just as upsetting that an editor requested it be written as it is that someone agreeing to write it. I wasn't getting at JSP anyway just the words in the article and agreeing with the assertion that the paper should come with a mental health warning.

MNHubbie · 16/05/2010 23:17

It isn't so much I have doubts just I don't know enough. I have seen it work wonders on kids who see it as a salvation as they can be themselves, I have heard the zombie horror stories and I've seen a lad at work hallucinating and talking to voices allegedly because of it. But all my knowledge on it is heresy so I really don't want to talk about it as I don't want to argue on something I'm not so much conflicted on but out of my depth on.

PMSL @ that link, brilliant!

I missed the JSP article thankfully but it wouldn't surprise me.

I am all for free speech but shouldn't there be some sort of check and balance? Giving opinions is one thing but falsely presenting facts is another.

The New Scientist has an article on why folks are so keen to believe lies. I suspect a few Daily Mailism will be mentioned (they quote evolution and global warming denial in the blurb at the start so there are two already).

Has it always been this way? I know we had the snake oil salesmen before but have mainstream rags always been so fictional and dark?

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SirBoobAlot · 16/05/2010 23:49

YANBU, but really - its the Daily Fail. Would you really expect anything different?! To quote Russell Howard - "Its sixty pages of scary bullshit".

LionsAreScary · 17/05/2010 00:04

ROFL @ tethersend's link - thanks so much for that. Have saved to favourites to show DH tomorrow.

MNHubbie · 17/05/2010 00:11

I dislike the powerlessness of it all. Like I said free speech is one thing but every sensible, educated citizen is fighting this crap every day. I'm at the bloody front line as a science teacher especially on parents' evenings. It is bad enough that I am a teacher and therefore a communist out to give their kids cancer whilst only working from 9-3 in term time only but I'm also determined to make kids think for themselves and actually consider evolution and global warming amongst other things so I'm clearly a mad man!

That said if it wasn't for the Hate Mail I probably wouldn't be a teacher it was a knee-jerk reaction to hearing kids quote the rag as fact that was one of my prompting moments to change career direction.

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Cretaceous · 17/05/2010 10:04

xstitch There's nothing wrong with being irrational in my book. I was agreeing with you that it was outrageous. You shouldn't take the article to heart, and you sound like you are way too hard on yourself. But I understand that you can't help letting it prey on your mind - as their articles are wont to do, because the paper spouts such extreme rubbish.

nighbynight · 17/05/2010 12:05

I think it is a modern thing - they just use the news as a prop to sell papers and make money.
Of course, we are all getting our news from the internet now. So the newspapers are a bit like visual artists when the camera was invented - they've got to devise ever takes on current events to get peoples attention, rather than just reporting it.

TakeLovingChances · 17/05/2010 12:08

My MIL reads DM everyday and believes the crap that's in it. She's tried to argue with my DH (her son) who is a doctor that the DM 'journalists' are correct in their health articles!

She has the true middle-class crisis: she is very proud and happy that her firstborn is a doctor, yet she cannot help but trust the rubbish the DM says about how rubbish the NHS is and how all doctors are earning £100,000 a week (not quite, but you know what I mean). Is quite sad really.

Have a look at this t-shirt, it is similar to your thread title
dailymash.shotdeadinthehead.com/product_view.aspx?pid=940

The website Daily Mash www.thedailymash.co.uk is funny. It's an extreme piss take of the DM, keeps me amused anyway.

MNHubbie · 17/05/2010 20:19

Love those links. TY

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Snobear4000 · 18/05/2010 10:40

Tethersend, I loved the link. In just four quick goes I was blessed with the headlines:

COULD TWITTER SCROUNGE OFF THE BRITISH PEOPLE?

HAS THE LOONY LEFT DEFRAUDED THE COUNTRYSIDE?

ARE TEACHERS STEALING FROM YOU?

ARE THE P.C. BRIGADE GIVING DRIVERS CANCER?

Lovely.

mayorquimby · 18/05/2010 10:49

Do you get this mad when people state as fact that it does exist?

randomimposter · 18/05/2010 11:19

this might help you, very funny

agree with Cretaceous - that's exactly my policy, although I do feel slightly smutty even reading it online. Have considered weaning myself off, particularly reading some of the recent post election comments which have made me go puce.

TakeLovingChances · 18/05/2010 12:24

thedailymailoncologicalontologyproject.wordpress.com/

If you search online for DM's list of cancer causing things you'll find a long list of things like: being male, being female, eating bacon, being veggie etc.

When you search for it the 1st result is a facebook site. I can't bring myself to link to a facebook site, so I found the above. Is quite amusing.

pedrothellama · 18/05/2010 12:35

Mail Watch is also interesting - likes pointing out everytime the DM contradicts itself.

Teenage pregnancies - BAD - Young Slappers Bleeding the Country Dry Living on Benefits! (article along those lines anyway)

and a few pages later.......

Teenagers Being Offered Contraception - BAD -Young Slappers Should Not Get This (article along those lines anyway)

Tidey · 18/05/2010 12:39

LOL, I just got 'Has Feminism given Cliff Richard Diabetes?' Ace link, tethersend.

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