In not having much sympathy with a couple on £45k plus per year having some benefits cut?

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There is loads of this on the news just now about how "middle income" families will be having some child tax credits cut and might be paying more tax. They news are showing what to me looks like comfortable off families having to do with a bit less. Is this really so bad? I know an income of £45-£50k per year might not be much in central London but will keep you in style in parts of the north, but how bad will it be? So people might have to change jobs/give up the second car/holiday at home instead of Spain every year? SO WHAT? There are plenty of us living on less than £25k a year who have had to cut back since having kids and take this as a fact of life.

I know MN is made up of mostly middle earners and I'll get pelters for this, but I don't really care. Anyone I know on a middle income can afford to give up some things _ its called life.

Expat, I'm sorry you've been subjected to that. Totally unfair and unwarranted and horrible to watch. Hope you're okay.

Qx

What is going on with Mn so so nasty you should be ashamed of yourself

Thanks, Quattro. There's a few of them around just now.

Meh.

Reported the nasty post.
Just filth.
Ignore...

I do think viewpoints like Xenia's are very important, because this is the line of thinking the government might well be taking when it comes to where cuts need to be made.

I don't see anything smug about her posts and quite honestly never have.

Sort of over DC bashing, too. He's the PM, he got in fair and square. Time to deal with it and try to prepare as well to roll with the punches.

dearie me expat you attracted a right one there,full on radge

anyhoo

frankly sooner some folk get that its just words on a screen then maybe be able to compose less vitriolic responses

I don't think xenia is smug re her money but wrt health she is v short sighted about what can come out of the blue Agree though that all things considered her viewpoint is prob v relevant atm as is likely to be similar to you know who and what is to come

it's being deleted all over on another thread, too, SM.

must be bad weather somewhere keeping all the teens indoors.

ive got tatties to mash havent seen any other thread yet

still i welcome opportunity to say radge.one of my faves

DH says 'radge' and also 'gadgie'.

But I'm off the hook tonight because he is home so he is making us hot dogs, chips and baked beans.

Bet the kids will eat every bit of it.

we love hot dogs,onions,mayo & american mustard

he's doing fried onions, aye. he'll put mayo on his. i find it minging, so i'll have mustard.

ach no get with the mayo and mustard lovin.i recommend it

Expat can I just say how great your posts have been on this thread, fair just and realistic. I have no idea what the deleted posts said but yo are the one person on here I wouldn't be bashing

As for this moving buisiness. Dh was made redundant recently.As we are in ~East Anglia there are limited jobs about in his field. We were already on the market so decided he would apply across the country and he would move with us following after (not easy I have 4 kids but needs must)
Well he got to second interview stage for several places and a couple of them admitted he was brilliant but they all went for the local guy in the end as he knew the area/customers. Just upping sticks is not as easy as all that even if you are willing. (btw DH is self employed now working nationally)

yes, I agree, bronze. expat has consistently tried to see ALL sides of the argument in her posts.

whereas I agreed with a troll earlier only with an innocent sounding post though. again

aw, shucks. thanks, all.

it will be interesting to see how the government sees it when the budget is released.

will they hike VAT? NI? how will the £10,000 threshold be phased in?

and the cuts.

there will be something people don't like whatever. There has to be, we can't go on.

already feeling the cuts tbh, DD has quite severe SN and the nursery had to fight hard for support for her, when they would have got it easily before.

The cleverest thing Gordon Brown et al did was to give what were essentially middle class people benefits, albeit calling them WFTCs. It meant that a client class was cultivated and nurtured and ensured that that people were less likely to vote against Labour for fear of losing the money to which they had become accustomed.

The fact is, such people should receive less money from the Government and be taxed less accordingly.

It seems bizarre that the Government has taken what is effectively ~£300 off my pregnant girlfriend in tax, spent £110 on bureaucracy and the like, then given her £190 because she is expecting a baby. Far better surely, to take less in tax and let us spend our money as we see fit?!

'The cleverest thing Gordon Brown et al did was to give what were essentially middle class people benefits, albeit calling them WFTCs.'

Well, if you knew anything about tax credits you'd know there's been no such thing as WFTC since 2002.

It's separated.

Working Tax Credits top out when a person or couples' earnings reach £16,140/annum. Gross and not inclusive of NI.

People who earn more than this don't get WTC. They get Child Tax Credits.

You can also get child tax credits if you are not working at all. People on JSA and income support get child tax credit.

They are administered through HMRC.

I stand corrected! CTCs then. Name doesn't matter so much as the silly idea of giving money to people who can well afford to look after themeselves.