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In refusing to send DCs to school with plastic water bottles?

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MadameCastafiore · 08/05/2010 15:10

Right may be a bit long winded but here we go.

DCs have a new head at their school and a couple of months ago were sent home with really shite plastic bottles with sports caps which we were told had to be used for them to drink water in class - now I refused - the bottles were made of the same plastic you buy evian, you couldn't put them in the dishwasher to clean them and IMO you can never get a sports cap properly clean and the ones on these bottles were really soft plastic which after they had been chewed a couple of times (which all kids do I think) they looked grotty and really filthy.

Anyway fast forward to DCs getting in trouble for not having these bottles - I worte to the head and told him about the crappness of the plastic and the fact that they were made of a type of plastic that was not meant to be used over and over again and I said my kids would be using their sig bottles due to the fact that they were easy to clean, did not have sports caps (a urologist I spoke to said sports caps are vile and harbour germs and he told all of his kidney patients not to use them but to sip straight from the bottle) and they were made of metal which did not leach chemicals into the water (don't want my kids drinking from bottles which leach chemicals that mimic oestrogen into the water they are going to drink) and they were not see through so sunlight and heat wouldn;t affect the water and make bacteria multiply if the bottles were not properly cleaned.

He then fought a bit and last week they were selling new bottles (because the first one was free after that you have to pay £1.50 if you lose or break them), new bottles that are made out of a different kind of plastic and can go in the dishwasher but they still have sports caps.

The headmaster says that the bottles have to be see through so he can be sure we are not sending the kids to school with juice or fizzy drink (doh flavoured water is what most of DSs friends have in theirs which nulifies the point to some degree!) I said I am quite happy for him to check the DCs bottles and to make sure it is just water or I am happy to send them in with empty bottles which they will fill up from the water fountain at school.

Now do you think I am making a big thing out of nothing, I do think it is silly to kick off about lots of little things but it grates on me that this man does not trust us enough to do the best for our children and I know some parents don't but really this level of control is a little purile IMO. DSs teacher hasn;t said anything else to him after the first few times but DDs teacher is on her case telling her she muct have this see through bottle.

Can he make us use them is something I would also like answered?

Thank you for taking the time to read my ranty essay.

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MillyR · 08/05/2010 23:35

I think pretty much everyone knows that Mrs Dinky. It is taught in school.

MrsDinky · 08/05/2010 23:36

Well they should get it right then.

PurpleHeffalump · 08/05/2010 23:38

Oh dear God!

Well, I suppose fair enough if that's how you want to live your life. But while you're all discussing which bottles to buy, you may want to start a new thread to discuss the best face masks because surely your kids can't go outside and breathe in all that air with car fumes in it. And to discuss how your child is going to learn to swim because surely they couldn't swim in a pool with chlorine in, and the sea is far too polluted.

People used to play with mercury, having no idea of its dangers. Lead in paint... asbestos.

Maybe water bottles will be proven to be dangerous in the future. Maybe something else will that we have no idea about now.

MilaMae · 08/05/2010 23:44

Ermmm I think most people breathing in asbestos and consuming lead on a regular basis had untimely deaths which is why lead is banned in toys and asbestos strictly controlled.

And yes I prefer the countryside to live in and clean beaches to swim in so shoot me

MillyR · 08/05/2010 23:53

Not sure what point you are making Heffalump.

Asbestos can dangerous. BPAs can be dangerous. Denmark has banned them from children's food and drink containers.

PurpleHeffalump · 08/05/2010 23:53

That's what I said - I was agreeing with you!

You choose to live your life (and kids lives) avoiding all of these things(am not talking about the mercury, lead and asbestos - my point is that these things have been proven). I choose to just live my life!

Maybe in the future you will be proven correct... maybe you won't.

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MsHighwaterforPrimeMinister · 08/05/2010 23:56

Clear bottles so they can check it's only water?

Sneaking flavoured water - chosen for its colourlessness?

Good grief.

OP, why not tell the HT to f*ck off and that you will give your dcs whatever drink you choose? In whatever container seems appropriate to you?

PurpleHeffalump · 09/05/2010 00:04

Glad you're happy with the school's change maryz. But...

"we would be back to drinking at 11 and 1 only". So your child would only be allowed to drink at what? 8:30, 11, 1 and 3:30 onwards? That's a max of 2.5 hours. This is not being deprived of water. Where the hell have we suddenly got this idea from?

Medical issues that people have mentioned are a completely different issue. If a doctor has diagnosed hyperactivity as a result of dehydration (Can you get dehydrated in 2.5 hours?)then any school should write this up into in individual medical action plan.

Biscuitbreaker · 09/05/2010 00:08

I would be annoyed about it simply because I was being told what to do! I hate all the senseless rules that keep getting implemented. What kids can eat, what constitutes healthy, what they can drink, when they can drink it and now what they drink it from...

Tell him to knob off.

PurpleHeffalump · 09/05/2010 00:15

Biscuitbreaker - I agree with you about all these rules. It is unfortuate that because there are a large number (although a minority) of parents out there who either don't give a damn about their kids or don't know how to bring them up (obesity in chilren, no discipline, etc), the government have decided that the education system now needs to make up for this. The only way to do this is with blanket rules. So they may be senseless rules to you, as a concerned, well educated parent, but for some children they are the only rules that have in their lives.

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AhLaVache · 09/05/2010 02:21

I cant bear not having some water to sip whenever I fancy it.
Maybe that is pampered and fussy but I DONT CARE.
Ds is now pretty much the same - my fault - because he has always had a drink on the go, at home or out and about, I'd find it odd not to have a drink to hand and now that i've got him into this selfish habit I'm pretty glad that he is able to drink as often as he sees fit when at school.

fernie3 · 09/05/2010 09:09

Our school has a similar policy only plastic see through bottles etc. We did this for a while but soon got bored of having to replace the bottle every couple of days (and it added valuable pounds onto our budget) so we bought a normal bottle (non see through) that lasted alot longer. We were called in to see the head about low attendance due to repeated urinary infections and she actually brought this up then (my daughter was sitting with her bottle next to us). We told her that as she needed a drink very regularly to try and prevent the infections or at least minimize their impact we would be sending her with a bottle we could 1. be sure was properly clean and 2. Afford.
She alsways takes water so i cant see what difference the type of bottle makes.

sarah293 · 09/05/2010 09:37

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oldandgreynow · 09/05/2010 09:54

I had a sup out of DDs 'school issued' water bottle on the way home from school the other day and it tasted rank, really plasticy and horrid.

MadameCastafiore · 09/05/2010 10:52

Thanks for all of your replies guys - I think I am going to just tell him that under no circumstances will my children be drinking out of plastic bottles - if needs be I will take the empty bottles in and they can fill them up in front of the teacher.

It is not solely about the chemicals, the plastic having to be recycled opr the fact that I don't want sunlight and heat getting to the water and making bacteria grow - I am just wholey pissed off that he dare to think that we are untrustworthy and need policing.

Oh and guys if you want siggs I get mine on ebay for £5.99.

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kittywise · 09/05/2010 12:40

LOL @ at all you mothers outraged at being told what to do by the guy in charge of the school.
It's the "rules don't apply to us brigade". Heaven help us all.

paisleyleaf · 09/05/2010 13:07

Klean Kanteens are good too (that's what DD's got).
I haven't decided what to do about DD's bottle next year yet.

lljkk · 09/05/2010 13:27

DC drink a lot of water at school on hot days, I'd be horrified if they didn't have the chance. I'm sure that their work would suffer, too; I couldn't go 6.5 hours running around and thinking hard all day without many drinks.

Funny how SIGG is being promoted as some great superior health option -- given they were subject to a recall last year due to containing BPA. And the amount of resources it takes to make an aluminium bottle, and line it with some sort of plastic (the lid is plastic too, right?), and wash it daily at the standard that many seem to think is prerequisite, I'm far from convinced that it is a superior choice ecologically, especially if it might get safety recalled.

But off you lot go now, Good Luck enjoying your status symbols special bottles.

dustycups · 09/05/2010 13:32

i agree kittywise! your child goes to school there and should follow the rules! what is your child going to learn from not following them!

if you feel your child can go without a drink then dont send them with one!

sarah293 · 09/05/2010 13:34

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MillyR · 09/05/2010 14:05

Lljkk, your link does not say that they have been safety recalled. It is a complimentary service that was being offered by Sigg to replace old style bottle linings with the new type. They have not breached any regulation or BPA safe limit - it is simply for customers who prefer not to have a BPA lining.

How bizarre that you would post a link that is at odds with your own post.

Despite that, I still think stainless steel bottles are a better option than the Sigg bottles.

kittywise · 09/05/2010 14:19

My kids can't be bothered with water bottles, they drink from the fountains at break time. That's a perfectly adequate opportunity to drink.
For those who whine saying "but my dc runs around a lot at playtime and doesn't want to stop to drink" Tough tits. That's his choice and he should learn that there are consequences to choosing certain actions. God there are a lot of spoiled children around