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to stop dd from staying with her dad?

48 replies

jendaisy · 05/04/2010 23:45

I am feeling a bit fragile and would genuinely appreciate some other points of view as I am completely unsure of what the best thing to do is.

DD will be 6 in July and me and her dad split when she was 13 months. He has always had her every other weekend, and paid a pittance in maintainance (£120 a month, which has only fairly recently gone up from £80 a month!). He gets her with a bag of clean clothes and brings her back with a bag of dirty clothes, and does a mediocre job of entertaining her inbetween.

He is possibly the most selfish person I have ever met, and has no idea what being a parent actually entails, he just takes it for granted that he has this wonderful little girl and doesn't have any understanding of the time, money and effort that I have put into bringing her up.

He NEVER phones up to say hello to her inbetween her weekends with him, has never once randomly asked to spend any extra time with her, even though he does not live that far away and does bugger all else so there is nothing stopping him.

DD is in year one and before Christmas I had a discussion with her teacher about her progress as she did not seem to be picking up reading at all, despite being very bright. The teacher said that the school had referred her to the special needs teacher. DD was becoming aware that she was falling behind her peers and was getting quite down about it and making comments that she didn't think she was very clever etc, which were upsetting for me and I hated to think of her feeling like this. So I got on the internet and found an online programme which helped kids who were struggling to read, it sounded ideal but the drawback was that it was nearly £400. I spoke to her dad about it (he is dyslexic so it is likely she has inherited her difficulties from him), and asked if he could contribute. He said that he didn't have much money but he would see what he could do. Anyway, time passed and I saved up the money myself, and in February I paid for her to start the programme (and in less than two months she has gone from not even knowing most of the letters to being able to read almost anything so it was worth it!). Her dad had not paid a penny towards it and I just left it as what could I do.

So anyway, I will get to the point, last weekend he had her and I drove to meet him on Sunday where I normally meet him, forgetting that this once we had arranged to meet somewhere different (I am pg and had had a long day and was very tired, and just went on autopilot). I realised as soon as I got there that I'd fucked up and called him to say I would be a bit late, and if he headed back towards his house I would cut across and meet him en route to save him waiting around. So yes he had wasted about half an hour all in all but not really the end of the world. And there have been a few occasions where he has fallen asleep, van broken down or once he was arrested, and not turned up to meet me at all or left me there for a lot longer than half an hour. So anyway I get there and he went completely mental and kicked right off, effing and blinding at me in front of poor dd. I pointed out that he had done it to me more than once and that I was very sorry and it was a genuine mistake, but there was no calming him down and he just carried on verbally attacking me in front of dd, critising me and my life when I have done a bloody good job of raising his daughter, I run a successful business and all he does is sit around moaning about how unfair his life is.

Then this morning I was brushing dd's teeth and she piped up with 'daddy hasn't cleaned my teeth for ages'. Now this is something I have fallen out with him several times over the years about, he doesn't ever bath or even wash her when she stays, or brush her hair or anything like that, but one thing I do expect him to do is clean her teeth. He has never really bothered, and on her last trip to the dentists it turned out she had 3 cavities, and so I told him that I am not messing around, he cannot have her for 48 hours and not clean her teeth once, if he is not capable of doing this most basic thing then he should not have her overnight anymore. And lo and behold he has not been doing it (again). It takes the piss that he can't be arsed to do this when I do absolutely everything for her, pay for everything, deal with her schooling, take her to her clubs and parties etc, keep her clean and tidy and just generally be there for her every day and do everything else that a parent has to do.

I am at the end of my tether with him, and I need to write him an email to tell him how it is (you cannot talk to him as he just shouts and shouts and shouts, writing is the only way). He has no respect for me and is generally a crap dad (last weekend dd spent pretty much the whole weekend watching the tv whilst he was outside fixing his van). DD doesn't mind going to him but she much prefers being with me. I have gone out of my way to allow him as much access as he likes to her and make things as easy as possible for him, even though he has not played fair with me at all. I am so tempted just to tell him to fuck off and if he wants to see his daughter get a solicitor (he would never bother do to this). But on the other hand I am pg and do not need a massive showdown with him, and also I am aware that it is a major thing to stop his relationship with dd. So what do I do, do I allow him to carry on being crap and taking the piss and being generally vile towards me and a crap dad to dd, or do I get heavy with him? Sorry for the massive ramble, there is so much to this situation and it's hard to know where to start.

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Opposed · 05/04/2010 23:52

It does sound like this visit is the straw that broke the camels back 9apologies for the analogy!) but at 6 surely she can do her teeth herself...?

DuelingFanjo · 05/04/2010 23:54

what does your daughter want?

Opposed · 05/04/2010 23:57

Sorry - that sounded flippant. Yoiu have had a hard time of it, I appreciate that. But maybe teach DD that if Daddy doesn't do her teeth, she should go ahead anyway. It sounds like she know that they should be done regularly anyway.

Not worth a showdown over that point at least.

If he shouts and screams at you over every little thing ignore. Maybe you need to get formal arangements for visting if not in place already.

He sounds like a shit tbh. Maybe one last heavy chat., leading to - you need to step up, or formal arrangements will be in place that you will have to abide by.

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 00:05

Yeah she could clean her teeth herself but doesn't do a very good job of it and after the last dentists visit I think it's important to make sure they are done properly. And she is a 5 year old and would obviously rather not clean her teeth if she could get away with it, so she is not likely to go and do it herself unprompted (and shouldn't have to parent herself IMO!).

If I try and probe DD about how she feels she will always say that she prefers being with me, i don't really want to ask her point blank whether or not she wants to see her dad anymore as i don't want her to worry about the situation.

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ChippingIn · 06/04/2010 00:09

He sounds like a total waste of space.

The cleaning of the teeth is (as opposed said, just the straw that broke the (exhausted, pregnant) camels back. At 6 it wont hurt if she does them herself when at his (apparently they should be 8 before totally doing it themselves, however, I don't know many parents who keep to this!!).

I understand why you are upset/frustrated/fed up - it's understandable.

However, for me, what it would come down to would be what DD wanted. IF she wants to go, then leave it as it is (don't bother with the email, just get her to do her own teeth). If she doesn't want to go, then tell him that. If she wants to go less, then tell him that... let her decide and you just keep being the fantastic Mum you are.

I know it's a hard slog sometimes and quite relentless, but as she gets older she will understand that it was you that brought her up, you she can trust, you that looks out for her etc it's YOU she will be close to x

GypsyMoth · 06/04/2010 00:10

Pick your battles...... There's a long road ahead, and I don't think this is a battle worth starting

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 00:18

Thanks chipping, and that's what keeps me going, he cvan fool himself that he is a good dad but me and dd have an amazing relationahip and she can see what I do for her compared to what he does. She is a really empathic and switched on little thing and is always saying things like ' you are such a kind mummy to me', so it's not like she takes it for granted. And as she gets older and more aware of the ways of the world I think she will appreciate me even more. But the flipside is because we are so close, I find it heartbreaking that he does not care for her like I do, and she comes back smelling and looking a state, because I try so hard to make everything right for her. God I'm blubbing now....need to get a grip....

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jendaisy · 06/04/2010 00:20

I know what you are saying threeblondeboys but what do I do? Carry on with him being a complete arse? Got another 12 years of this shit ahead!!

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wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 00:25

I think you are being unreasonable, he is her father and has equal rights to her. The finances are totally irrelevant. I find you comment about your dd inheriting the dyslexia from him rather offensive as well. You have chosen to have a child with this man you have to make it work.

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 00:31

If he has equal rights to her than surely he should be putting equal amounts of effort into bringing her up? And if he is not prepared for this to manifest itself as time then the least he could do is pay decent maintainance for her?

And all I meant by mentioning that he was also dyslexic is that he must understand how hard it is for her as he had the same struggles at school and therefore would not want her to be upset about her reading and would want to help out with making this situation better for her.

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mummysaurus · 06/04/2010 00:45

he sounds rubbish and i would hate every moment of contact with this waste of space but for your dd's sake you have to slog for a at least a few more years. He is useless with her but not dangerously so. your dd's self esteem will benefit from having her dad in her life and seeing him will stop any fantasies of a perfect dad that she is stopped from seeing.

that said you shouldn't have to put up with abuse from him - make it clear that unless he can be civil he'll have to find a mutually trusted adult to do the handover

CoronaAndLime · 06/04/2010 00:48

The finances ate not irrelevant at all!
He cant pick and choose which bits he will be responsable for.
I got what you ment by mentioning about your ex having dyslexia. Was quite ob that you were not slagging him off for having it.

CoronaAndLime · 06/04/2010 00:53

I'm not sure the ops Dd's self esteem would benifit by seeing her dad.
My sons Dad was crap and my son once asked me why his dad didnt bother doing such and such and was it because he didnt love him as much as other dads loved their sons.

Its a big step to stop contact and I would get some advise in rl from people who know the full situation.

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 00:58

a few more years! (bangs head against wall at the thought). but yes you are are right and thanks mummysaurus, I am very cautious of being the one to stop their relationship and I think that's something that will need to happen because dd is old enough and aware enough to make that decision for herself (I am fairly confident that this will happen in due course as she gets older, without any 'help' from me!).

And thanks to you too corona, glad you got my drift, I don't think the finances are irrelevant either, although things are on the up for me now the last few years have been a right struggle, for a long time I was living in a caravan, having to steal nappies from baby changing rooms in supermarkets and surviving on bread (and if I was lucky a bit of cheese) for weeks on end because I couldn't afford food for both me and dd, whilst he was swanning off on month long exotic holidays and spending stupid amounts of money buying flash vehicles to ponce around in, which kind of made me want to knock his teeth out.

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wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 01:04

Yes he should be putting in an equal amount of effort but he isn't, life is just shit sometimes.

I do get how frustrating this is, my dd's father used to infuriate me.

I do think finances are irrelevant which is one of the reason I stopped taking maintenace from my dd father. I grew up watching my Mum bicker with her ex about money and dragging my sister into it.

Again in an ideal world he should pay, but if he doesn't you have to be the better person and hope he comes around. Again I get how infuriating it is, I was for a period of time homeless while my ex husband lived in a 2 million pound house and was swanning about London living out his fantasy life.

CoronaAndLime · 06/04/2010 01:07

Well I hate the feckless twat now!

Am glad things are going well for you now, sounds like youve really had it hard.

Whatever happens with him, your Dd has you as a role modle and it looks like youre made of strong stuff!

CoronaAndLime · 06/04/2010 01:11

Sorry you went through that Wastwinsetandpearls but there is no bloody way that I would allow my child be homless whils their father lived in a 2million pound house.
It would not enter my head not to fight for what was my childs right in that situation.

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 01:15

Well I decided a long time ago to take the same stance, which is why he has got away with paying so little for this long. i decided it was more important for dd to have a good relationship with him and to keep things as chilled as possible between me and him too. And also my hands were tied as there was nothing I could do, all his money was/is made illegally so there was no point in contacting the CSA, they would probably tell him to pay me less looking at his earnings on paper!

But after he sat there with a face like a slapped arse berating me in front of my daughter last weekend it did make me want to stop making his life so easy for him. It's not the first time he has been like this with me and I am so sick of it, I suppose there is a part of me that just wants to hurt him but I know that would be stooping to his level. He has never been able to separate me ending our relationship with him having a relationship with dd, so by doing little for her he seems to think he is punishing me.

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wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 01:19

Believe me then I did fight, but it got me nowhere. People with access to that kind of money seem to be above justice.

I then focussed on me fixing the situation for myself.

wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 01:23

But through all of that time I never stopped dd from seeing her father. I wanted to hurt him, it was tempting but I am very proud that I did not.

Bonsoir · 06/04/2010 01:28

It is immensely frustrating when the other parent to your DC, or DSC, takes much less care than you do with their upbringing, and you feel that they (a) take the way their child is for granted, when you have worked very hard (b) systematically cause damage that you have to repair.

This seems to me to be one of the recurrent themes of resentment in divorced and separated families. Apart from teaching children to take very good care of themselves early on in life, I don't know what to suggest...

RebeccaRabbit · 06/04/2010 04:13

I would stop the over night stays - they don't sound much fun for your DD - and let them have a day together every other weekend.

firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 04:42

I hope you dont mind me joining in here? We have a dad from the past who is such a pain to our relationship. My partner and I will be married in a week, and yet he still has not come to terms with it. He seems to find it part of his lifes mission to poison his 4 yld against me and his mum. Its cost a fortune so far for mediation, to which he does just agree to the outcome of each meeting for a short period of time. He has him every other friday, and for the evenings of monday, wednesday and friday and calls every day. Now fare play to his consistency for the last 2 years, but christ, it does my head in......and the wife to be wants a baby with me, that would be great until he/she asks where there brother is going!!
He has only just moved out from his mums, so that influence will be gone, but into a house with 3 lads, with 3 rooms!!! where will he sleep? Not my concern!! Tell my emotions that. He is constantly rude to my partner via text or midnight calls, jealous for sure! he says he is the perfect dad lol just buys the boys love. Time will tell i spose.

spybear · 06/04/2010 08:05

Everything you have mentioned is pretty crappy Dad behaviour.

But...if you stopped access, a few years down the line when DD wants to know why she doesn't see her dad your reasons are not going to hold up to much "he didnt brush your teeth, or bother doing much with you and he was rude to me".

If he is really not that bothered, best to let it run its course in its own time.

It must be very difficult to have no control over what he is doing with her when you have obviously put so much care and effort into raising her.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/04/2010 08:15

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