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to stop dd from staying with her dad?

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jendaisy · 05/04/2010 23:45

I am feeling a bit fragile and would genuinely appreciate some other points of view as I am completely unsure of what the best thing to do is.

DD will be 6 in July and me and her dad split when she was 13 months. He has always had her every other weekend, and paid a pittance in maintainance (£120 a month, which has only fairly recently gone up from £80 a month!). He gets her with a bag of clean clothes and brings her back with a bag of dirty clothes, and does a mediocre job of entertaining her inbetween.

He is possibly the most selfish person I have ever met, and has no idea what being a parent actually entails, he just takes it for granted that he has this wonderful little girl and doesn't have any understanding of the time, money and effort that I have put into bringing her up.

He NEVER phones up to say hello to her inbetween her weekends with him, has never once randomly asked to spend any extra time with her, even though he does not live that far away and does bugger all else so there is nothing stopping him.

DD is in year one and before Christmas I had a discussion with her teacher about her progress as she did not seem to be picking up reading at all, despite being very bright. The teacher said that the school had referred her to the special needs teacher. DD was becoming aware that she was falling behind her peers and was getting quite down about it and making comments that she didn't think she was very clever etc, which were upsetting for me and I hated to think of her feeling like this. So I got on the internet and found an online programme which helped kids who were struggling to read, it sounded ideal but the drawback was that it was nearly £400. I spoke to her dad about it (he is dyslexic so it is likely she has inherited her difficulties from him), and asked if he could contribute. He said that he didn't have much money but he would see what he could do. Anyway, time passed and I saved up the money myself, and in February I paid for her to start the programme (and in less than two months she has gone from not even knowing most of the letters to being able to read almost anything so it was worth it!). Her dad had not paid a penny towards it and I just left it as what could I do.

So anyway, I will get to the point, last weekend he had her and I drove to meet him on Sunday where I normally meet him, forgetting that this once we had arranged to meet somewhere different (I am pg and had had a long day and was very tired, and just went on autopilot). I realised as soon as I got there that I'd fucked up and called him to say I would be a bit late, and if he headed back towards his house I would cut across and meet him en route to save him waiting around. So yes he had wasted about half an hour all in all but not really the end of the world. And there have been a few occasions where he has fallen asleep, van broken down or once he was arrested, and not turned up to meet me at all or left me there for a lot longer than half an hour. So anyway I get there and he went completely mental and kicked right off, effing and blinding at me in front of poor dd. I pointed out that he had done it to me more than once and that I was very sorry and it was a genuine mistake, but there was no calming him down and he just carried on verbally attacking me in front of dd, critising me and my life when I have done a bloody good job of raising his daughter, I run a successful business and all he does is sit around moaning about how unfair his life is.

Then this morning I was brushing dd's teeth and she piped up with 'daddy hasn't cleaned my teeth for ages'. Now this is something I have fallen out with him several times over the years about, he doesn't ever bath or even wash her when she stays, or brush her hair or anything like that, but one thing I do expect him to do is clean her teeth. He has never really bothered, and on her last trip to the dentists it turned out she had 3 cavities, and so I told him that I am not messing around, he cannot have her for 48 hours and not clean her teeth once, if he is not capable of doing this most basic thing then he should not have her overnight anymore. And lo and behold he has not been doing it (again). It takes the piss that he can't be arsed to do this when I do absolutely everything for her, pay for everything, deal with her schooling, take her to her clubs and parties etc, keep her clean and tidy and just generally be there for her every day and do everything else that a parent has to do.

I am at the end of my tether with him, and I need to write him an email to tell him how it is (you cannot talk to him as he just shouts and shouts and shouts, writing is the only way). He has no respect for me and is generally a crap dad (last weekend dd spent pretty much the whole weekend watching the tv whilst he was outside fixing his van). DD doesn't mind going to him but she much prefers being with me. I have gone out of my way to allow him as much access as he likes to her and make things as easy as possible for him, even though he has not played fair with me at all. I am so tempted just to tell him to fuck off and if he wants to see his daughter get a solicitor (he would never bother do to this). But on the other hand I am pg and do not need a massive showdown with him, and also I am aware that it is a major thing to stop his relationship with dd. So what do I do, do I allow him to carry on being crap and taking the piss and being generally vile towards me and a crap dad to dd, or do I get heavy with him? Sorry for the massive ramble, there is so much to this situation and it's hard to know where to start.

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jendaisy · 06/04/2010 08:34

I know the teeth thing might seem really petty but the thing is dd is likely to end up needing fillings, she is absolutely terrified of even opening her mouth for the dentist so having to have treatment would be really distressing, and it will be old muggins here who will be sitting with her while she gets it done. I don't think it's much to ask of him.

There is other stuff too though (I could write a book!), for instance if it's his weekend to have her and he has a big party to go to, he will just take her with, whereas I would always find a babysitter or not go. He is a traveller and knowing the scene myself very well as I was part of it, there are loads of people taking drugs or just really drunk and I don't think it's the right environment for a small child. That said, dd loves parties and always has a blast, tearing around until the early hours with the site kids. He took her to one party in December, she stayed up until gone 1am, then he put her to bed in his transit van (which obviously had no heating, remember how cold the winter was!). She was locked in and she told me she woke up and was scared and needed her daddy, she she wound down the window and cried and shouted until someone came along and went to find her dad, who was still off partying. Then the next day I got her back late afternoon, she was knackered and had school the next day, to be told that she hadn't had anything to eat that day. I asked why not and he said he had been too hungover to leave the party any earlier. So I said 'so getting pissed is more important than looking after your daughter?', and he told me to fuck off (again in front of dd), slammed the door and stomped off. I wouldn't have got that pissed while dd was in my care but if I had there is no way I would let her go until 4pm without a morsel to eat all day. I wanted to kill him.

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tortoiseonthehalfshell · 06/04/2010 08:36

If mine wasn't feeding my child all day because he couldn't be bothered, I'd stop the weekend access and go to daytime visitation only.

QuintessentialShadow · 06/04/2010 08:50

I honestly dont think one (or even two)outburst of shouting and not brushing her teeth is worth stopping access over, sorry, but I dont. It seems petty on your behalf.

As long as he is not absuive to her, and as long as she has a reasonably good time, I would continue to let them build a relationship. She is too young to decide for herself whether she wants to see him, and I dont think you can make the decision for her, based on your OP.

Regareds the teeth, I understand that brushing the teeth is important, but you are setting up her lifetime of good dental hygiene, so please build it into her evening routine that FIRST she brushes her teeth, and then you go over them. It will be easier for her to remember to brush her teeth if you make a big deal of her brushing them herself, and you just "going over them".

QuintessentialShadow · 06/04/2010 08:51

ok, I just saw your latests post, that is of course not very good.....

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RunawayWife · 06/04/2010 08:54

Bottom line is what does your DD want, as it should be about her and not you and him.
He sounds a twat by the way

jenduff · 06/04/2010 09:06

Your poor DD - witnessing his abusive behaviour; being made to sleep in a van in winter and not being fed

IIWY there is no way I'd let him have her overnight, but sadly I don't think its a decision that you can make without difficult long term consequences that others have alluded to.

I would ask your DD what she wants, but TBH with a new baby on the way I'd be tempted to postpone this battle for now.

You sound like a fab mum by the way.

violethill · 06/04/2010 09:16

Things that strike me:

  • This is about the child, not you. Reading the posts it seems very centred on you.
  • You chose to have a child with this man. We are hearing your side of things now, but he may well have a different version. If he was really this much of a twat, what made you decide to have a child with him?
  • Your posts are using the drip feed approach, which always sets alarm bells ringing. Leaving a child in a van is way more serious than the brushing teeth issue,or bringing back a pile of dirty washing after the weekend, yet you don't mention it til later in the thread...
  • I also found the linking up of dyslexia/your dd's father/money rather distasteful. She has a special need. So what if its inherited from her father, you or has come out of the blue? Utterly irrelevant. You seem to suggest that because she is likely to have inherited it from him, he ought to pay for a particular programme of study.
  • He is your child's father. she has a right to know him and see him. If you try to block this, it could backfire on you badly, if not now, in years to come.
wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 11:06

I also don't understand why you only now mention leaving a child in a van, that is of course a different matter.

superv1xen · 06/04/2010 11:17

jendaisy - i could have written your post myself!!!

I have a 3 year old DS, split with his dad when he was a few months old, but since then he does the absolute bare minimum, couldn't give a shit about him to be honest.

pays the bare minimum maintenance, only sees him twice a month (and then lets him down quite often) never bothers to call to see how he is in between visits, brings him back dirty and with dirty clothes, often loses spare clothes i send him in, if i ever ask him for any extra money, ie for shoes, clothes, etc, he usually refuses even though he earns loads....

he really is a useless TWAT!

sorry not very constructive but just wanted to let you know that you are not alone!!

porcamiseria · 06/04/2010 12:19

I think its very tough , and you are suffering from being , essentially, the sole responsible parent.

However, the reasons you outline here are not enough I'd say to stop contact. annoying yes, life threatening no.

Is this really a battle you want to take on when pregnant?

I think you need to try and accept this is how he is, its shit but there is very little you can do to change it. getting angrier and angrier, what will that do?

In the meantime, can you teach her to brush het teeth, that will take one worry of the plate....

I just dont think you can use your (justifiable) anger at him as a reason to stop her seeing him. If everyone did that, no kids would see their parents

CoronaAndLime · 06/04/2010 12:27

The leaving her in a locked van is a deal breaker.
He put your child at risk.

I would not let somone look after my Dc if I couldnt trust them to keep my children safe.

I would get it all written down and get some support in rl as it sounds like he will try to make your life hell if/when you stop contact.

Good luck.

GypsyMoth · 06/04/2010 12:31

You do know that it's not your right to stop access don't you? Just because dd lives with you doesn't mean you ' own' her.

If he took this to court then you will be forced to hand her over. Cafcass would look at your concerns, but dad would also speak to cafcass and raise his concerns to. Be prepared for this happening.

violethill · 06/04/2010 12:35

Good point ThreeBlondeBoys.

Of course, there is also an issue about possible neglect, if he left her locked in a van. But I do find it very strange that you bring that up later in the thread as a 'by the way...' and make the focus of the OP issues like teeth cleaning and dirty washing.

Think carefully if you want a potentially nasty court battle on your hands.

ElenorRigby · 06/04/2010 12:42

Sorry jendaisy that you and your DD are going through this, its horrible isnt it...
We have a similar situation with DSD.
DSD lives most of the time with her mother who neglects her. Last year at the age of 6 she had 9 yes 9 teeth extracted. DSD's mother never does anything with her but leaves her playing on her DS. DSD NEVER has her nails cut. DSD has NEVER had her hair cut by her mother. DSD is always in too small smelly clothes when she comes from her mums. (she has a full wardrobe of beautiful clothes here) DSD spends most most time with her mum yet comes here with all her homework to do. DSD cannot swim at the age of 7. DSD cannot ride a bike. DSD goes to no activities (music lessons/dance lessons/brownies) DSD's main activities are going to restaurant with mum or going shopping, a trip to the park is off the radar. DSD goes to a sink school, mum is not interested in education.
For all the above, she loves her mum as a would assume your DD loves her dad.
Its a horrible situation to see a child not cared for as they should.
However it is a loooong fight. We have resigned our selves to the hope that DSD will wake up and vote with her feet one day.
I think thats what you need to do to, let your DD wake up and make the decision for herself.
In the meantime, it is horrible.
Sorry to hear of your situation...

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GetDownYouWillFall · 06/04/2010 12:55

jendaisy I really feel for you. I am not in a similar situation but can see how utterly stressful this must be on you. For the sake of your unborn baby you need to try and take time out for yourself and relax. Taking on these battles right now is probably not a good idea. He sounds like a right PITA but he is your DD's dad and so you are stuck with him. Do your best to be civil and reasonable even if he does not treat you with the same respect. Give him no ammunition with which he can shoot you with later.

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mamas12 · 06/04/2010 13:44

My twopenneth jen is
Because you are pg you could tell him that you're finding the driving difficult and so he would need to come to collect his dd nearer to your home.

Perfectly acceptable imo
Time will then tell how he deals with this.
Deffo let him know that his abusive behaviour towards you in front og dd is emotional child abuse and will not be tolerated anymore.

jendaisy · 06/04/2010 15:33

I did not mention the van thing until the later post as it's just one more thing in a huge long line going back since she was born that I could get upset about - it was a while ago and not at the forefront of my mind but of course it's very important.

He did live in a van until a few months ago but now has a cabin on his own piece of land which is a bit more like a house. It's not him being a traveller that I have a problem with, like I said I lived in a caravan for years and I have many friends who are travellers who have raised very happy, beautifully behaved, clean kids so that shouldn't be an issue at all.

This argument is not about me. I have never once used dd as a weapon and despite years of abuse from XP during and since our relationship I have never stoppped being reasonable with him and allowing him as much access as he likes to dd (which it turns out isn't very much). And for the record, I did not choose to have a child with him, she was a genuine accident and after trying to bully me into having an abortion and telling me he would leave me if I kept the baby, I decided to keep her anyway and bring her up alone. He then changed his mind and decided to stay with me but he might as well have left for all the good he was.

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wastwinsetandpearls · 06/04/2010 16:27

Lots of people don't choose to have children by men but if you have sex with someone it is a possibility. I say that as someone who conceived a child in a very unhappy abusive relationship- we had sex once that year!

I do have sympathy for you, I have been there and bought the t shirt. If you think that your daughter is in real danger that is a different issue but if you just don't approve or disagree there is litle you can do. It is very hard and it took me years to learn that lesson.

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