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Are they nosey or am I oversensitive? Playgroup woes.

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merryberry · 31/03/2010 13:32

A few hours ago I left a Sure Start play group in tears. I?ve been on/off weepy for 24 hours, after some difficult news yesterday about problems with my rheumatoid arthritis.

Usually I cope with this kind of thing well, it?s a chronic disease, I?ve plenty of practice and a bit of quiet upset is part of normal adjustment. But I?m now flaming, hopping, spitting annoyed with playgroup staff who I feel pushed me over an edge I was carefully avoiding. How much is them, how much me in people?s opinions?

So, sad news at hospital yesterday, three hours sleep only, lots of rheumatoid activity, having some trouble moving but knew I needed to get out with ds2 or I?d be more depressed. We went to the weekly Sure Start group at the end of my road. I?ve not been before, newish location.

Was pleased to catch up with a couple of local mums friends who pitched up. I literally can?t get out as much as we?d like, so this was a bonus. Also, the wonderful large space, new kit, good toys. Pretty formally laid out, rules about how to have snack time, parent?s and children badged up, told it was a language session, focussing on talking to our children. Three staff in for the maximum allowed 20 children in the group. I trailed around after ds2 with an adult sized chair I found in the corner of the room, the only one there. I can?t do getting onto and off of the floor, beanbags or children?s chairs. While hauling a small bottle of diet coke from pocket at intervals in vain hope of caffeine jolt to push through the day.

Having just pulled up to a busy table and joined in, playworker A comes over and says:
?I notice you?re moving the large chair around, I know some people can?t manage the children?s chairs. Can you? We don't allow big chairs, you have to be at the children's level?

I managed a ?No, I have quite a serious problem? to which he said ?Oh dear, what?s the matter?? and I said I can?t go into it. He said that it was OK then, but actually sucked his teeth and exhaled heavily at me and without drawing breath told me to put my drink away ? and this bit came out sounding like he was regurgitating the rule book at me and put my 42 year, sensible woman back up ? that the rule was to only encourage healthy eating and drinking and it gave the wrong impression. Fair do?s thought I, your turf, your call, ?do you have a beaker to decant it into, I?m trying to use the caffeine to stay awake?? to which I get ?Well, what is wrong with you??

Social embarrassment kicks in here, as everyone listened in. I think he carried on talking, but I was now breathing down the tears and held up a hand to stop him, gave ds2 a smile and managed to say ?Let?s go to the loo, ds2?. Managed a reasonably low key exit, but when I left the loo he was there with the manager, blocking the only exit. They were both so nice, anxiously asking if I was OK, but just wouldn?t get out of my way though I?d said I needed to go home and chill out. The manager was very sweet getting ds2 dressed and prammed up though she took for ever, kept trying to get me to talk about it, offering to walk me home, giving me her number and Oh god, I?ve just realised they have mine from sign in sheet, I hope they don?t call.

Oh this is vast. Sorry. I can?t unpick it. Am I oversensitive, are they just doing a job? Is their job to poke at me in this way, that?s how it felt? I?m most annoyed that I?ve been reduced to tears a) in front of ds2 and b) in public and c) had to leave something ds2 was really enjoying. When I am in fact coping pretty damn well. Or am I not coping, if I go over the edge like I?ve described? Obviously I?ve learnt that until I?ve processed this current health problem, I will only be attending/setting up playdates and playgroups I know are much more free range.

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southeastastra · 31/03/2010 13:35

wtf! i am seriously annoyed on your behalf! what an awful and bizarre way to treat an adult! i would be tempted to complain formally.

posieparker · 31/03/2010 13:37

A bit of both, whilst it would be lovely to think he could have backed off and just accepted you needed to do whatever I think it was quite touching they showed such concern. Perhaps a quiet word with someone in charge would stop the questions.

You sound tired and fed up and struggling to keep things going, you also sound like you're doing a brilliant job of coping with everything. Perhaps you are being over sensitive but understandably so.

thesecondcoming · 31/03/2010 13:39

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compo · 31/03/2010 13:39

well if they have rules about healthy eating I think that's fair enough
but it was a bit much to ask twice what was wring with you

MaMight · 31/03/2010 13:39

You poor thing.

From what you have written it sounds as though you are being oversensitive, but I can't blame you. I don't suppose they blame you either - they probably feel horrible about having got things wrong with you. Go again next week and I bet they will be super nice and not say a word about your chair.

AMumInScotland · 31/03/2010 13:40

I think they were probably only trying to help - but frankly not being very good at it! They really should be a lot more sensitive to people, specially if they are meant to have been trained to help with things like "how to talk to your children effectively".

It might be worth you speaking to the manager to explain things, once you don't feel quite so raw. If the manager understands about the chair and the caffeine then they can make sure the other staff don't hassle you in future.

MrsTittleMouse · 31/03/2010 13:40

How awful. RA is shit.

It sounds as though the playworker messed up royally, thought that you were trying it on, and then realised that you weren't and overcompensated by launching himself (and the manager) at you to try to make up.

You were in the right, they have no right to ask about your medical condition.

merryberry · 31/03/2010 13:41

oh gosh, thanks for the input and support. i didn't know about the coke thing. i thought i'd read all the rules on the way in, but missed that one

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LauraIngallsWilder · 31/03/2010 13:41

They were trying to be helpful
Trying far too hard

I know someone like this - tis very annoying

You have every right to sit on a proper chair - I hate those kiddy chairs and I have no mobility trouble.

You said 'no thanks, I dont want to talk'. They should have accepted that

I also hate people trying to tell me how to parent my children, when its quite obvious Im managing fine!

It is none of their business what your health pronlems are unless you choose to say.

I hope you get more sleep tonight!

CirrhosisByTheSea · 31/03/2010 13:42

I'm so sorry you've been so upset.

It sounds to me that this is probably an un-qualified staff who have had some CP training and are basically not up to the job of diplomatically checking out a parent who may (in their opinion) need a bit of help or support.

I think what's happened is that they have been concerned by your 'big problem' which you wouldn't elaborate to them about; and concerned when you mentioned needing coke to stay awake.

To be perfectly honest, those things SHOULD be of concern when you are meeting a mum of a young child because those ARE big issues you are dealing with and someone in your position may not actually be coping anywhere near as well as you have.

SO imo they were right to hear a little alarm bell in their heads but the way they went about it was very cack-handed. I would be gobsmacked if they were calling social services on you, please don't worry. They were just useless and insensitive and unrealistic, imo.

SelkirkGrace · 31/03/2010 13:42

I think they were trying to be helpful, and seemed concerned, but went about it in the wrong way. As someone who has long term health/pain issues, it could also be that you are feeling a bit over sensitive - i get like this, when people say "well you didn't have a wlaking stick yesterday" or "well you look ok".
Dealing with long term chronic illness can be emotionally draining too, and as you said, you were trying to get your head round what you'd been told.

merryberry · 31/03/2010 13:43

I think that's my main ??? MrsTittleMouse, do they have some kind of right to information because you are interacting in a certain way with your child, like 'not getting down to his level', I can't at home either, it is just an orthodoxy of the moment isn't it, it doesn't really matter in the long term to the child, does it?

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ChippingIn · 31/03/2010 13:44

Um - I've never been to a Sure Start playgroup and think I'll keep it that way if this is anything to go by!!

I am so sorry he upset you like this - it's really hard when you are struggling to keep it all together, to deal with 'one more thing'. On a normal day, I'd tell him where to shove his policy - but on an 'on the edge day' I'd react the same as you.

Wanker - I'll kick his shins for you!!

I guess, in fairness (though I don't really feel like being fair as he upset you), he was just being a jobsworth - following the stupid rules. I suppose they want you to play at the childrens level and demonstrate a healthy diet.... & for those reasons alone, I'd be avoiding the place

CirrhosisByTheSea · 31/03/2010 13:45

oh and BTW not drinking the coke would be an un-written rule Coffee would be the socially acceptable choice!!

notasausage · 31/03/2010 13:45

Sure Start can be a bit OTT on the rules front but then they are government funded and also have additional responsibilities for child welfare as well as puting on play sessions. Not well handled by the staff but perhaps you were coping better than you thought ie the support worker didn't realise how close to the edge you were.

Our lot don't mind you sitting on an adult chair - there are lots of grannies and some with disabilities who can't sit on the floor. No-one minds.

Perhaps a quiet word as you go in next time will provide you with more support and less questioning - how else will the staff know not to ask you stuff you don't want to talk about.

merryberry · 31/03/2010 13:46

LOL, through more tears, at socially acceptable coffee

Thank you for your input everyone, I'm learning afair bit and feelinles silly for being affected by this. Going to go munter through the housework for a while.

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pigletmania · 31/03/2010 13:47

Gosh I feel for you, as someone mentioned they did show concern for you which is nice, dont take it the wrong way. Mabey you could have just told the manager there your condition(not give details), so that they could understand your need for an adult chair and it would help them to help you a bit more. Dont stop going there, go, it might actually help socially and your dd enjoys it.

Starbear · 31/03/2010 13:47

Oh! Sweetheart! I can at times be over keen to help professionally. Over the years I have learnt through experience to calm down.
Right lets pick this through. He might of thought it was his opportunity to save someone from serious problems such as DV, he'll help you and be a hero. He has misread you. So why not pick up the phone and speak to the manager. It's not face to face so you can express your self better. Crying isn't a bad thing its human. If you knew what I did for a living and then knew how many times I've cried at work you'll be shocked. Give your self a break it's a grim day and you could do with going to something local. Explain your circumstance and you never know it might be a godsend.

merryberry · 31/03/2010 13:49

I think I've got my headset wrong about these playgroups notasausage and ChippingIn. Even though they're drop-ins, they do seem increasingly formal. I always think they are just somewhere for your child to rummage around in. Or wish, not think.

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thesecondcoming · 31/03/2010 13:50

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plum100 · 31/03/2010 13:50

Merryberry,

hope you're ok.

i think the original chap was being a bit indiscreet really - probing you infront of everyone - possibly wanting to know what was wrong for the right reasons but going about it in the wrong way.

The fact that they were both waiting for you I think shows he realised his mistake - was genuinley concerend, hence why had informed his manger, and wanted to try and offer you some support . We use a barnardoes centre and I know they offer real practical support to families who need it.

If you feel you can , I would try and contact them , and Arrange to go in and see a family support worker. Im sure they could offer you lots of support and help and mayber when you go to there it will be a bit of a break for you as they will support you and your children.

Good Luck xxx

MrsTittleMouse · 31/03/2010 13:50

Whether you can get up off the floor has nothing to do with your abilities to parent! There is nothing about being a loving effective Mum that involves sitting on the floor. My Mum can't do low chairs or the floor either, but my DDs think that she is the sun, moon and stars, and she has had DD1 for "holidays" since she was 8 months old.

pantshavenames · 31/03/2010 13:51

mb so sorry to hear you're having a rough time of it at the moment.
It sounds to me like the guy was being very officious in the first instance, but at least he realised his mistake and tried to make amends. I completely get why you just wanted to get the hell out tho', and they should have backed off at that point.
And it's upsetting to get upset in front of strangers as well.
Can you go back next time with a friend to help you and glare ferociously with give moral support?

tablefor3 · 31/03/2010 13:53

They were trying to be helpful, but in a really unhelpful manner! They were clearly unable to get the hint that yes, you have a health problem, yes it is a bit of an issue but no, you do not wish to discuss it with them and no, it is not interferring with your involvement with DC (provided you can have an adult chair).

I fully appreciate that you have every right to keep your medical issues private, but is there any short form/high level/cover all answer you can use on such occasions? Gives the nosy parker an answer, but limits conversation? Perhaps, just "I have rhematoid arthiritis". I realise that yesterday you had no desire to even say those words after your hospital visit, but perhaps on future occasions that will be enough to cut off the nosiness.

skidoodly · 31/03/2010 14:05

hi merryberry

sorry to hear you've had bad news about your health

It really was completely out of order for that young man to repeatedly ask you about a health condition in front of other people in that way. How dare he?

You dealt very well with the situation by trying to get away from his unbelievably rude and unacceptable behaviour by leaving without causing a scene.

For him to then get back up and come and stand in your way when you were trying to leave is really outrageous. I don't care how nice they were pretending to be. Nice people don't bully people in this way and good intentions don't excuse the way you were treated.

The whole experience sounds appalling. There is no way I would go back there after being treated like that.

I'm not surprised you're upset. It's very frustrating to be treated like a child and disrespected as you were at that playgroup. There are groups that have lots of adult chairs and where the support staff treat parents as people rather than targets to spy on and interfere with.

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