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to expect the council to house us even though DH is sshh ..... working!!

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EverSoSlightlyStressed · 22/03/2010 11:18

Landlord has a court order for possession which runs out tomorrow. Council have basically said we will have to wait for the court bailiffs to physically kick us out and then go to them with our stuff in binbags before they will provide us with anything even emergency housing which is quite a stressful thought . It could be that we have no more than 7 days until we get kicked out depending on how long it takes for the LL to arrange the bailiffs to come. Obviously I have no problem with the LL wanting us out and feel terrible that he has been forced to take us to court but it is the only way the council will help us.

BTW we are not feckless or scroungers! We have 4 DCs - youngest 2mnths old. DH works around 48 hours a week and has a relatively good wage. We are not entitled to tax credits (child benefit only) and have struggled with the massive amount we have to pay in private rent but scraped by without too much hassle. LL decided to sell house last year, we knew we would have problems renting again as we are both had to go bankrupt (1 year ago) since we moved into this house so our credit is shot and no chance of ever having a mortgage again . Current letting agents said they would not be able to rent to us again because of this as we have no one to be guarantor even though they have had no problems with us and nor will any other agent. There are no properties being advertised by individuals that would not need a credit check round here (except for shared house rooms) and anyway all 3 bed properties are like gold dust so we are in deep shit!!

The council keep telling us that as DH works we should find our own property. We keep telling them that we can't for reasons detailed above. It seems that if he was not working and we were on benefits, they would bend over backwards to help but as he is a taxpayer, they will not do anything. Is it me or is this a bit arse about face??

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Clarissimo · 23/03/2010 17:06

good post missedith.

whilst I think OP was a bit rude, a lot of what she said was ignored.

I think the system exists to put people off- understandable, 30,000 on waiitng list here apparenlty. Wrong when you're in dire straits though

We are going on list in summer; we will never have enough points but if we were to lose this palce then at least we would be saved all the initial apperwork at the time IYSWIM

expatinscotland · 23/03/2010 17:21

Thanks, Clarissimo.

This area has few children.

Just looked it up on UpMyStreet. It looks pretty dead.

Am not too keen on the high school, though.

Hmm. There was another house, though, closer in, that I'm waiting to hear about.

Thanks all.

Clarissimo · 23/03/2010 17:31

This area is well posh (we are the token commoners) and becuase of that we have the only children in the road (buyers are priced out by old folk)

The area is set up for said old folks so whilst there are many forget me not clubs, you won'ty find a youth club and the park is being gradually dismatled rather than gight the teen's endless quent to destroy it

But I know we are lucky as it is safe here and whilst her next door is a cow, she is an elderly old cow whom the LL hates so can't achieve her desire of getting us made homeless and this summer I am going to ignore her neasty jibes and refuse to stay indoors (she sits on her balcony, all 15 st semi naked and topless, making nasty comments and putting rude signs up for us). I've even bought a garden chair so ds4 can play outside and sod 'er.

last house was used as a repository for syringes and as it ahd an alley up teh side some homeless guy used it as shelter and set a fire underneath the wooden extension housing ds2's bedroom, the marks were right up wall when we found them next day- we moved shortly after.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2010 17:48

Other house is let. We're going to see this one tomorrow.

I can't stand this anymore.

I.am.so.fucking.tired.of.other.peoples'.loud.fucking.music.

cluckyduck · 23/03/2010 19:25

OP, if you come back Please tell us what area you are in, you never know someone might know of a property available. Please come back.

smokinaces · 23/03/2010 20:19

expat I am so sorry you're having to be moved again - we were going through the homeless and rehousing by the council at the same time as each other and I am gutted for you it hasnt worked out. I really hope these private rentals work out for you.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2010 20:24

Fuck! DD1 caught me looking at pictures of the house and when I told her she'd have to go to a new school, she burst into tears.

I'm fucking raging now. I really am.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2010 20:34

I went down there and told him to pipe down the bass. He had at least 4 people in there and they were all beyond rat-arsed. The smell.

Now I'm starting to get majorly fucking pissed off!

Why should we have to go through moving again? Why should my daughter, who loves her little school so much, have to pick up and move because of his low-life alcoholic homeless bullshit and all his scumbag friends trying to use the place as a damn doss house?!

Leave their little bedrooms that I worked so hard to paint and decorate?

SCREW that!

I'm complaining in writing to the Homelessness Council tomorrow. I have already rung them up.

People tend to take me seriously because I can be a bit scary.

But I don't give a rat's ass. I don't disrepect my neighbours.

And I used to drink like a fish all the time could pour two and a half bottles of wine down my throat in a sitting and still be standing up but I never ever had complaints from my neighbours or kept them up till all hours.

butterscotch · 23/03/2010 21:54

ExPat your situation sounds awful hun x

I used to work for a housing association, there are so many sad stories I could tell you.

For your housing situation currently is it HA or council? If its HA your HA should have a social investment team/and an anti-social behaviour team. Also the councils environmental/department of health, you have to make lots of noise and complain a crap load to everyone and anyone, Local MP can be a help as well...sometimes depends on how feckless they are! but with the election getting closer, now would be a really good time to speak to your local MP and lobby them for safer/better housing.

It can take a long time to get a result and you have to keep trying! As for moving schools etc... you can always ask the council/Ha if you move because of dire housing situation can they fund transport to current school (this has been done in the past if the moving of school is classed as deteramental to the child) this is usually a private taxi in my experience.

Also speak to HV for them to write you a supporting letter about the state of the estate/area you live in and suitability of it. if you can stand it and don't feel then it might be worth speaking to the school as well.

What year of school is your DC in? if you can hold out till the age is moving a different school e.g. infant to junior, or junior to senior that might be the best time to make the move (if you don't go insane by then).

Also is there more than one HA in your area? assuming you are HA if so contact them. The other people that you could try is the Housing Association themselves they regulate/manage the HA's overall they have a complaints system probably won't help you buy always worth a shot. Ohhh and if you can get a letter to the MD or the HA about your housing situation, mark for addressee only, ideally with evidence/photos etc.. this can be a really effective method as well!

You always come across as really helpful in posts I hope some of the above helps you.

OP - I think you did come across a bit aggressive and defensive when people were trying to help you.

Sadly you will be put in temp accomodation, your situation is sad, but you must be able to rent somewhere even if it is smaller, and you have to move out of the area and DP has to commute further, you have a car so in theory that won't be such an issue you sound like your in a better position than lots of other people.

Bankruptcy is a desperate situation to be in, and will definately go against you but there are private landlords loads that don't like to advertise in the normal ways....try places like netmums, here, gumtree etc... you'll be surprised what you can find, your local paper's online advertisement pages to get in as the ads go live before the printed paper is another source.

You've had 5months, that is a lot of time to have got sorted, I appreciate that you felt the council were going to re-house you but this would never be done immediately if you have received bad advise from your council/ha I would follow up with a complaint when you get sorted.

Contact your local HA and see if they have any housing coming up, they will take people with bad credit if you have proof of paying rent etc...

You need to take responsibility for your family you choose to have them and have to make the relevant sacarafices to get by like we all do, whilst redundancy is sad it has happened to loads of people, can you work nights in Sainsburys or something while DH has children, then when he works they are at school etc...you sleep care for DC? Its difficult but I know thats what DH and me would do in your situation we're both currently at risk from redundancy, and whilst we would get a small payout initially we would have to use that to re-train/get by whilst looking for another job!

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I grew up on a council estate and it wasn't pleasant no where near as bad as what Ex-Pat has to put up with but I have seen the estates like that having worked in Brixton, Peckham etc... for a HA and its not somewhere you would wish children to grow up.

Hostal accomodation is grim but that and or a bedsit is most likely what you will be offered if you don't find something yourselves. I know you feel desperate at the moment but the only way is to do something constructive about it and stop feeling you'd be better off on benefits because trust me you wouldn't its a grim way of life. Good luck.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2010 22:18

thanks, butter.

there is no permanent council housing around here. all housing in this region is run by an HA, one HA.

so our maisonette is HA, we are HA tenants.

the one downstairs, a one bedrooom, is used by the council as temporary housing for the homeless.

so you can imagine the people they get in there, given it's a one bed.

i rang the office today, and the gal told me the occupants are definitely warned that this is their last chance. if they behave anti-socially in the temporary housing they can be thrown out quickly, because they have no tenancy, and the council is no longer under any obligation to house them because it has fulfilled its legal obligation.

DD1 is only in the first year of primary school, but she had learning delays so marked her ed psych and paed convinced the council to fund an extra year of nursery for her at a nursery with an additional support needs unit.

she still receives SALT and OT and has a LEA assistant at school, all of which had to be applied for.

she also receives DLA.

right now, we have no HV! . there were three for a geographical region of 200 miles, so two retired and one quit.

i had to go to my MP to even get this place, now i'll be damned if some low life drunk criminal and his low life mates are going to fuck it up for our family before we have time to pay off all our debts and save up to move, which is why we are here.

thank you for your advice, it is very helpful.

butterscotch · 23/03/2010 23:45

Sounds like your best off staying put for now then keep complaining about each low life they put there. So you have any half Decent neighbours? Ifso the more that complain the better also keep a diary like detail of events in England after 11pm if noise can be hears the environmental people will investigate he noise! Good luck with the plans to save and move x

expatinscotland · 24/03/2010 09:10

'So you have any half Decent neighbours?'

No. There's no one next door after the murderer ran her off.

The two flats next to low-life flat are used as temp as well. But one's got a young family in it and the other's got some Buddhist fella who's quiet as a mouse.

Next to us on the other side is another young family with two wee girls, but they keep very much to themsleves.

TBH, so do we. We lived in another, very scary estate in Edinburgh and didn't know a soul.

Same here. Our motto in these places is to keep on the down lown until we can move out.

Clarissimo · 24/03/2010 09:31

ExP go for it with the complaints.

We used to rent a private lease in a town with a bad rep, behind the house was a tiny estate- 20 houses?- where the residents were all PITA's. There was a v high fence between us and them but they bashed a hole through it to save maybe two minutes walking, they'd tun into the gardens of our elderly neighbours just to scare them . When we moved in the kids would play on the train tracks, bear in mind that the track was exclusively used by nuke trains from the power station where all gusards were armed and ready to go in case oif terrorist hikacks. Dh complained about the safety to the police becuase they were about ds1's age now, 10. We were also getting syringes chucked over our fences. Police took them back then warned us that the famiilies would get shitty. Except Dh is good at shitty, his job was managing lorry drivers for years, if you can't hold your own you are out quickly. We worked with the HA, kept diaries, Dh chased teens out of neighbours gardens, got the alley where the firestarter hid locked up, and then the HA tooka ction and moved the problem family to their specialist homeless acoomodation for troublesome tenants. Sadly that turned out to be fucking next door to where they were!!!. It seemed to give them the message though as I understand SSD got invovled too. We moved just after to come here, but the elderly neighbours were really sad as Dh was ever so good with them- not just scaringa way teens but taking on BT when they left a 90 year old without a telephone, stuff like that.

sarah293 · 24/03/2010 09:58

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expatinscotland · 24/03/2010 11:48

Thanks, Riven. Likewise, if we win the Lotto, we'll buy you a car and get your house sorted for you.

sarah293 · 24/03/2010 13:22

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expatinscotland · 24/03/2010 14:49

Oh, aye, we're gonna be rich.

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expatinscotland · 24/03/2010 15:02

Oh, I can think a lot of things . . . {hands Riven a Lakeland catalogue) .

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Clarissimo · 24/03/2010 17:03

Oh I am buying a campsite with lots of sn facillities such as level pitches with hardcore access for chaors, a bathroom with a hoist, etc plus all the things I would love from a family site; DH will operate his business from the site and hold barbecues in teh evenings, and I will bake cakes in the office and sell home amde soup when it is raining

expatinscotland · 24/03/2010 17:07

Oh, that sounds lovely, Clar!

I'll throw in some respite carers on tap at low costs for those who'd like to go out to dinner.

Clarissimo · 24/03/2010 17:12

Actually i'd probably just do that myself LOL (am a sucker for other people's kids- am in early stage talks with NAS atm about running an asd siblings group locally)

SarahDerbyshire · 24/03/2010 23:40

Blimey, the thought of having £1,200 a month to waste on rent...

expatinscotland · 25/03/2010 00:48

Why is it considered a waste, though?

I think that is part of the problem, tbh.

Shelter is a basic necessity, and as such, it's not a 'waste'.

Some people rent because they cannot afford to buy in a desirable catchment area. Others, so they can walk to work and save on transport costs. Some because they want to live in a home of a quality they cannot afford to buy.

A host of reasons that aren't wasteful at all.

We stay here because the school is very good with excellent staff and support staff; because there is only one secondary school, which is highly rated. No worries about school places and we didn't get our first choice my kid has to go to a terrible school, etc.

That has value, too.

Seeing rent as a pure waste is one of the factors in an equation that is really screwing up the country and fueling people to take very unsound financial risks, IMO.

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