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To think the creator of this FACEBOOK group is an uneducated moron...?

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MsSpentYoof · 19/03/2010 11:41

here

I see so many stupid FB groups these days created by small minded folk

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jennyslinger · 20/03/2010 11:47

its wrong to eat any meat - and Halal/Kosher is the most cruel way of killing an animal.

I believe many people would not eat the meat if they had to raise then butcher it themselves.

This is all about market share. I live near the Leyton branch of KFC and every chicken shop on Leyton high road is Halal because of the high asian population. Leytonstone and Stratford are both close and are very busy so don't need to be Halal.

Its also worth noting KFC is a franchise business - each shop runs its own business. Most chicken shops are run by asian families in the area.

fuzzywuzzy · 20/03/2010 11:57

Halal meat is only considered halal if the animal is killed within three knife strokes, they cut the jugular vein and the animal is drained of blood after its dead, it does not bleed to death.

BooyhooNOTboohoooORbooyou · 20/03/2010 12:00

"its wrong to eat any meat "

in your opinion jennyslinger. your opinion is not universally shared.

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 12:49

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Camelscantdance · 20/03/2010 13:34

If an animal is Halal slaughtered it generaly does mean a slow and painful death.The meat does taste differant as all the blood drains away.I live in a muslem country so accept that the meat will be Halal.Also belive though the same should be vise versa,I would not want Halal meat as my only option in UK.

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 14:30

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 20/03/2010 14:37

I thought in halal killing the animal was hung upside down, alive, before having its throat cut- that, to me, is cruel. But it has been 15 years since I did my meat hygeine course, and probably the same amount of time since I was in a slaughterhouse, so things may have changed! All I know is that at the time there was a bit of grumbling because it was against the animal welfare legislation at the time, but still permitted on religious grounds. I've never been comfortable with halal meat since.

Blu · 20/03/2010 15:20

Kitty: there is a page on the KFC website that specifically says that the halal meat in the halal KFC outlets IS stunned before slaughter.

Since the meat is slaughtered to the same (doubtlessly dubious) standards as ordinary chicken, what on earth difference does it make to the non-muslim consumer? It's simply a way for KFC to rake in more cash from more customers fr crap food. I can't see how it disadvantages the non-muslim consumer at all.

They may be a franchise, but the produce is supplied centrally - each manager doesn't go out and source halal / non-halal on a market stall or from an organic farm in their area!

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 16:23

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Blu · 20/03/2010 18:26

Yes, I understood that in a proper halal slaughter it can not be done in the presence of other animals.
No way does that happen in any slaughterhouse here that supplies a cheap mass market!.

Blu · 20/03/2010 18:30

Riven - or anyone else who knows - since the halal meat so often sold seems to be compromised by the mass slaughter (presence of other animals) and terrible rearing conditions / cruelty, couldn't foodie non-veggie muslims compromise by doing away with the bleeding bit of the slaughter and buying 'non-halal' free range organic meat, which complies with the kinder husbandry cntribution to it being halal?

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 19:20

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WidowWadman · 20/03/2010 19:27

"There are lots of animal rights issues surrounding the production of Halal meat.

I would be more than happy to see a ban on it in this country."

Somebody who's concerned about animal rights would avoid KFC anyway.

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 19:30

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electrofagz · 20/03/2010 19:45

Unless you rear a bird and personally oversee it's death (or know someone who does), there is no way of knowing whether the meat is halal or not or how much the bird suffered - it is a tad hypocritical to harp on about how your meat is less cruel than your neighbours.

If you are foolish enough to eat MSG-coated KFC chicken fried in trans fats that have probably been reheated several times over as many days, then it shouldn't really matter to you that much

sarah293 · 20/03/2010 19:50

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Blu · 20/03/2010 20:44

Since there is no possible 'animal rights' justification f the FB group's argument, and no-one could possibly tell by either taste ot texture whether the meat under the huge quantity of fat was cheal and nasty ha;lal or cheap and nasty non-halal, I think we can safely conclude that the OP is right:
The creator of the FB group is an undeducated moron. Whose main objection is that a commercial co would make an adjustment to include muslims in their market share.

Now, if it were made law that the original artisan-made Melton Mowbray pork pie must henceforth be made with halal 'turkey ham' and the original pork pie could not be sold anywhere in the count, they might have a point. But....that would be silly, wouldn't it, and won't happen. So they can untwist their knickers in safety.

gtamom · 21/03/2010 07:04

Poor animals, I don't think I want to eat much meat after learning all of this.

doesntplaywellwithothers · 21/03/2010 07:43

This has nothing to do with animal rights, I'm sorry. This has to do with fueling the fire against the asian/muslim population, and its disgusting. Though I would never eat KFC, or fast food in general, I appreciate that at least they are trying to be inclusive to the muslim population, which isn't a horrible thing. Additionally, they aren't making ALL restaurants Halal, only franschises in target areas. This FB page is inflammatory, and just plain not nice. Shame on them!

sarah293 · 21/03/2010 08:46

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