To think the creator of this FACEBOOK group is an uneducated moron...?

[MsSpentYoof]

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I see so many stupid FB groups these days created by small minded folk

No, mrsmellowdrummer; the point of halal (I think) is the same as kosher - the animal can't be, like, (gropes for word...) blemished or damaged before it is killed? so stunning = 'damaging' the animal, so they have to be killed while fully conscious.

I have not looked this up so willing to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable...

You are possibly correct HoS... I am no expert either, and in fact veggie after seeing undercover footage of animals being "stunned" in appalling circumstances many years ago.

It's just the programme I listened to was talking about the muslim community trying to modernise it's practise, and the people involved were particularly concerned about making sure the slaughter was carried out in a manner as "godly" as possible - ie as humanely as possible. Difficult at the moment, as it seems anybody can claim any meat is halal, according to their own beliefs, and there's nobody around to stop them, or enforce standards.

I may be talking out of my backside though... there must be somebody around here who knows!

I have learnt something here, I thought Halal was a kinder way of slaughtering the animals (well as kind as you can be ). Seems it makes no difference.

The FB group is clearly anti Muslim "Tolerance is one thing, but to force a minorities beliefs on a majority population just has to be a bridge too far doesn't it?" How is it forcing beliefs on anyone - its chicken ffs. I love the outrage of not offering a 'non religous alternative' LOL - KFC should only serve atheist chicken from now on!

What difference does it make anyway? I imagine that most KFC frequenters couldn't give a rat's arse about how the chicken lived or died. If they did they wouldn't be in KFC.

Now I am seriously thinking about giving up meat. Went out last night and had a Greek meze, lots of lamb for the main course and I couldn't eat it.

Does anyone have links for any studies or info comparing the two methods? I'm really interested, because I have always understood halal to be less humane because of the lack of stunning. However, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. Don't eat myself but DD does and I had been concerned about places that only offer halal e.g some schools.

Awful group - only read the front page bit but that just screams of narrow mindedness and someone who is just annoyed that their local KFC has decided to use halal meat. The fact that they do use halal meat probably suggests that he area he lives in has a large muslim population, hence why the restaurant has decided to use it as it makes good business sense!

I'm a bit confused about my own views on meat eating .

I feel that the animal should be given the best life whilst it is a alive/killed humanely which is why if I am buying meat to be cooked at home I will only buy ethically produced/free range meat. It does mean we have cut down on our meat consumption as we can't afford it every day!

I really need to look into the actual killing methods a bit more with the different types of meat as I think that probably what I eat is reared ethically but not killed.

Anyway, not too sure how I feel about eating halal personally due to the animal rights issues. I read a thread on here about how It was done and concluded that I would rather not eat it. I also googled it a bit after. I discovered that apparently all Nandos use 'halal'. I've put it in inverted commas as apparently the way they do it isn't very halal after all.

Potplat lol at the atheist chicken!

We live in a racially-mixed area that has gradually become more Asian (and Muslim in particular) over the last 10 years. It is almost impossible to buy anything other than halal meat unless I go to the big supermarket chains, and DD's (private, RC) school serves halal meat because of the high proportion of Muslim children who attend (it's a single sex school so an awful lot of Muslim girls get sent there).

Can't say I'm happy about it because the idea of cutting an animal's throat while it's alive is revolting to me, but then, as Riven says, if you eat meat you have to accept an animal will die somewhere in the process... at home we eat organic, free range meat and not a huge amount of it.

As I understand it, the theoretical practice of Halal meat means that the animal has better welfare, but I very much doubt that KFC or any of the other billion chicken shops in our area (all halal) are serving anything other than mass-produced chicken.

So I boycott it regardless (vile stuff anyway!)

I think as a chain in a Christian country it is unreasonable to only offer Halal food. After all, it's a choice for a certain religion, based on nothing but their beliefs. The meat isn't any better, doesn't taste differently and the animals basically bleed to death. How do you know they are stunned beforehand? The Muslim religious authorities are divided over the stunning of animals before they are slaughtered. If an animal dies when being stunned its meat is considered haram to eat.

I agree with Blu that the FB page has been set up to vent but TBH a lot of people see it that way and you cannot deny them their point of view.

Good thing I don't eat at KFC anyway. Awful company, awful food.

Kitty the thing is though that it isn't (as far as I'm aware) a decision that has been made for the whole chain. As KFC's are franchised, it will be a decision made be the franchise manager. The manager has more than likely made the decision based on business sense and the fact that to be succesful in the area, serving halal meat is the best way!

would love to comment on that page wouldn't lower myself to join it.

how are they being forced to eat halal meat? as far as i know eating from kfc is not compulsory in this country.

There are arguable objections to halal meat, though I'd agree with Riven on this. But honestly, KFC is a commercial company. Last time I looked they weren't rushing out into the street and forcing their food down anyone's throat. The FB group owner has a mucked-up idea of what constitues freedom IMO.

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kitty is the UK a christian country??

as far as i know there are lots of different religions practising in the UK

for example, the uk is where i was born and raised and raise my dcs, but we are not christian.

boo to be fair the UK has a head of state who by law has to be a particular denomination of Christian, there is an official state religion which is the same denomination, and all state-funded schools are meant to hold a regular act of Christian worship. So there's an argument for calling it a Christian country.

apologies, i hadnt even considered that. bit out of date for modern britain though to insist that head of state must be christian.

sorry, i dont want to turn this into a religious debate. that post was irrelevant to this thread.

the religious or otherwise nature of the country really shouldn't have anything to do with it tbh.

As pretty much everyone has said, halal meat doesn't actually taste any different, and as Riven pointed out, at the end of the day, how an animal dies is such a ridiculously small matter compared to how it lives that does it really matter? For it to be legal in this country means it must comply to some basic animal welfare regulations, so it's not unspeakably cruel.

At the end of the day, battery-farmed chicken is battery-farmed chicken and whether you kill it with a slit to the throat or by beheading it, it's still had a crappy life and a fairly quick death. Saying that we're 'catering to the minority' is utter balls though, because it's not as though that particular store is making its customers eat something that is noticeably any different. The group is just religious intolerance stirring up again, and as such will be popular among its target audience and scorned by everyone else. It's worthy of pity, nothing more.

Yanbu being offended by that group. The person who made that group is racist.

Thanks for the study Riven. Very interesting to read. Somehow missed it earlier, hence why haven't commented until now!