to be a bit annoyed about a friend that thinks woman should not be allowed to have ivf on the nhs?

[CarrieDaBabi]

this friend, she is 33, and is planning on trying to start a family in a years time.

she said she doesn't agree with ivf etc and if it doesn't happen she will just accept its fate/not ment to be

then she went on to say she doesn't think that woman should be allowed to have ivf on the nhs.
i was a bit and
at her comments and attitude

she is nornally very left wing

i said, i thought women only got 1 go at ivf on the nhs and i think it should be avavlible on the nhs as its something that could cause depression pyschlogical issues

and that your on dodgey ground ruling things out as where would it stop, fat people people who drink or smoke not being able to get treatment
or people with depression not getting treatment.

to which she replied depression os an illness, i know it is, i said but not being able to have a baby can make you depressed

i felt really shocked at what she was saying

Grace I am absolutely not trying to be a pita here, but in response to this:

I take that to mean that you did actually conceive and so "fertility issues" became redundant and IVF academic for you.

If people want to get their knickers in a twist why don't we talk breast augmentation on the NHS?

No madam what I mean thas nothing to do with IVF it is about the perceived right that everybody has to procreate. In my job sometimes I see parents who should never have had kids because for whatever reason they make a huge feck up out of it and the kid ends up trying to take it's life over and over whilest the clueless parent blames the kid for being difficult etc etc.

So no it had nothing to do with IVF or the tests your husband had or marriage.

To be fair to Grace I think her post say that she never did end up having children but she is ok with that and didn't need/decided not to go as far as IVF?

Duritz I've seen a consultantrecently re the supposed risks of IVF drugs-there are none.

My great aunt died of ovarian cancer and I was looking into having my ovaries removed just incase due to my IVF. He wouldn't even monitor me let alone remove my ovaries as he said there is absolutely no risk or link between cancer and IVF drugs.

He did say however there is a link between Chlomid (which is given frequently on the NHS incidently) if used more than 6 months and cancer. Thankfully due to my IVF I consumed Chlomid for less than 6 months.

Said consultant also said there is far too much scaremongering re IVF drugs.

It's the trigger shot I'm presuming we're talking about that stimulates egg release. You only have the 1 shot and as most women can barely afford/have funded 1 cycle of IVF they're not exactly consuming vast amounts of it. There is no link anyhow.

It has relevance as I was saying that I don't think anyone has the right to have kids which is some people's arguement for the NHS funding IVF.

I didn't say ivf drugs MilaMae - but I have gathered that you feel the need to disgree with everything I post which I think is funny !
Hormone treatments was what I said . And as I also said that's not at all what I've been told - my tratments started more than 15 years ago and I have had a lump removed once and am being monitored carefully - several drs have let me know that I am in a risk group for breast cancer especially because of treatments for endometriosis and ensuing fertility treatments .
Also don't know many women who have ivf just the once .. Unless they are extremely lucky ..

Londonlottie - well you should know better then shouldn't you ? And managing the condition in a child is completely different from in an adult - much more precarious and like navigating a high wire - nothing to do with the condition not being managed well enough -lol - if only I could do more for my child than ivalready do !

Type 2 diabetes also has alot do with ethncity actually - you don't bring your ethnicity on yourself.

I'm not aware that anyone brings infertility on themselves either . That wasn't the point was it?

I'm interested actually. Is it just IVF that people have a problem with? What about the causes of infertility? Take endometriosis - are people OK with treatment being given for a debilitating condition that happens to also cause infertility? Is it OK if physical pain is involved but not emotional/psychological pain? Oh, unless the mental pain is caused by something with a name, like depression?

In the spirit of the thread I'm not expecting the courtesy of an answer to any of these questions btw, but I'm asking nonetheless.

Type 2 diabetes also has alot do with ethncity actually - true but you can still improveyour type 2 diabetes dramatically by losingwieght regardless of your ethnicity.

Endometriosis is a tough one as there are so many degrees of it ..and as you said it also leads to infertility -
for me it was crippling - I was in bed about five days a week and on such strong pain relief that I was barely there ..
I had to go private to get my surgery for it though .. But once Id had the surgery the NHS were happy to pay for me to go on drug treatment ..

And LondonLottie
I don't want better treatment for my daughter over treatment for other conditions where did I say that ?
I was just responding to your comments on diabtes being in the same level of need as counselling..
The NHs should prioritise all serious health cnditio s - all of them .. All of those babies born to us infertile couples throuh fertility treatment deserve to grow up in a country with an adequate healthcare system - it's about safeguarding ALL our futures

I don't think the NHS is financial strapped because of the huge amount they spend in IVF

can people also be very careful before they appear to suggest that a suicidal child is necessarily the parent's fault.I say appear because reading your post more than once it is clear that you aren't being so general. at least i hope so. can everyone just get to the point of realising that conditions are always more important to those suffering them than to others and therefore maybe understand why other people's priorities need funding. Very easy to see why someone should just get over something if it's not happening to you. Not by any means everyone posting but still.