to just march into the classroom and take my kids ?

[princessparty]

I am SO fed up of them being late out of school when we have to rush off to afterschool clubs.They are supposed to come out at 3.30 and we can just make the 4-6 yo gymnastics session if we leave at 3.30 on the dot.
So today i just walked into each of their classrooms and said 'excuse me Mr X I need to take Y now.' in a pleasant way.I think I'm going to do it every week now
I mean we get them to school on time,they should get them ou on time.

Riven think they all just start at different times.

YABU. My teachers used to stress that the bell was a sign to them that they could finish the lesson off, not a sign to us that we should stop.
I think you are extremely rude and direspectful. School is more important than gym. My kids have often come out 5-10 minutes after the bell, and I actually think of the time they finish as 5-10 minutes later than the bell to allow for finishing off work, being given homework, getting bags etc.
You sound as though you have little respect for education or teachers and are quite controlling.

The primary school used to be 9am until 3.30.

Redbin - rules won't stop bad people from doing bad things. But if a school has a tight security policy, then someone who has no right to be in the school will be more obvious - if they get in in the first place.

And it is not just the big tragedies that this guards against. When my children are in school, I want them to be able to concentrate on the teaching - not to be disrupted by random parents coming into the class for whatever reason - to rant at the teacher/abuse the teacher/whisk their child away for an appointment/hand over packed lunches or other forgotten items etc etc. I would also prefer to know that dishonest individuals aren't getting their sticky fingers on valuable equipment from the school - and don't tell me that doesn't happen, because it happened at my dses primary school - someone wandered in and stole a laptop.

The OP has shown how badly some parents will behave in their belief that the school is run purely for their convenience - if every parent had that attitude, it would be chaos.

But you carry on sneering, redbin - it is so much easier than making a cogent point.

Riven, they adjust lunch and break times. Hardly any time to eat lunch in some secondary schools anymore.

I'm also of the opinion that school isn't more important than out of school clubs.

I'd also ask the posters who say that it's okay to be late for the after school class whether they would be okay with being late for school lessons? Surely it's good to show children that they should try to be on time for whatever they are taking part in.

However, I do think the op was extremely rude and a note or chat to explain that on Tuesdays she had a problem with timing would have been sufficient. The teacher could then have worked out a way to accommodate the situation or explained why it wouldn't be possible.

I always considered 'out on time' to be up to 15mins after the end of lessons. This was unusual and the primary children mostly came out 'on time'. Ten minutes before the bell was clearing up/get ready to go home time.

Stewie that seems a bit of a sledgehammer approach. So you are saying if the op is unhappy about the timing of dismissal on one day then she should take the child out of school completely even if there's not much amiss the rest of the time?

Part of the reason for locked doors etc is so that children likeminecan't get out,rather thananyone getting in.To anextent it is a necessary efect of inclusion in MS.

I think it's OK to have a quiet chat wi9th a teacher and mention you couldappreciate them being out on the dot on X day as most etachers appreciate the value of after schoolclubs...i'vedone that with the boy'steachers as I find it really ahrd chasing after ASD ds3 in the playground with a buggy waiting 20minutes for the boys.I wouldn'tdream of walking in over riding the teacher though,and that's even with apas /CRB as I help out.

Riv we did 8.30 -3.10. Not as far back as Noah, more around the time of Moses but Long Enough ago.

We had a big lunch break too,almost double the 40minutes the boys get now.

8.55-3.30 here. The adjacent secondary starts later and finishes earlier. I suspect they make the time up by not having the midmorning and midafternoon breaks that the primary have though.

One reason for staggered school times is that a fair proportion of parents (and childminders) will be picking up from more than one school. The starting and finishing times of our junior school are in place to allow adults to walk up from the local infants schools.

And yes, ADHD is certainly a reason for locked doors at our school: several children wouldn't be safe if it was possible to get into (and therefore out of) the school during school hours. And theft of computer equipment can be a major problem: used to work at a university department with no security and you wouldn't believe the sums we were spending on replacing equipment.

If teachers had to cut short their lessons to send pupils out early at the end of the day, you'd be knocking 10 minutes off the same subject every week: that might actually make a difference in terms of how well it could be taught. Lots of things take time to set up and get the pupils engaged in. And if one class is getting 10 minutes less of maths every week, then they will be at a disadvantage compared to their mates.

juuule , the OP wants her children released early so she can get to an after school activity she has arranged. If she wants that kind of flexibility then yes, she should HE them.

And ASD Cory of course-or indeedmany SN (Its Peachy btw).

I remember my sister being in schooland a drunken aprent walking in and hitting the teacher,and then threatening my sis (apparently then ten yr old sis had poppoed a rude note through the door to his son as a joke).

It'sidiots like that causing owrries. Add it in to inclusion, the generaloutcry when a child does get out (far riskiernow with traffic than when dh escaped frompreschool aged 3 and walked across 3 miles oftown to see his Nan). maybe chuck in a smattering of acrimonious divoces where kids are stuck in middle.

It's perfectly possible to combine a locked door with open access. You just have towave at the Secretary,is all.

I have vague memories of 9-3.30 when I was at the end of primary school, and 9-4.15 at senior school - but it is so long ago that my memory may be playing tricks on me.

The dses primary school was 8.50-3 in the infants and 8.50-3.15 for the juniors. In their current senior school the hours are 8.45-2.55 two days a week, and 8.45-3.35 the other three days - they get an extra lesson on those days.

The boys Juniors is 8.55 - 3.15.

DS3's snu is 9 - 2.30 but thats mainly so they can get all the kids out before the chaos begins that is hometime for the MS unit attached. So different.

Our are:
primary: 8:45ish to 3 (with v relaxed/lax security that will have Ofsted gnashing teeth)

secondary A: 8:15 - 2:50
secondary B: 8:25 -3:05

That 5-min difference is the source of much resetnment from DS2!

I don't think the OP is being that outrageous

she only wants her kids to come out on time, whatever the reason. And so they should.

I can't see the school being that cavalier about parents turning up ten minutes late here and there. And I reckon people are putting far too much value on time spent in school. The teacher is not sprinkling sparkly magic dust and conferring extra knowledge and wisdom on your kids every minute- like as not she is telling one of them to stop staring at the stick insect instead of putting her coat on, another pair to stop fighting, another to stop scratching her arse, seeing who is the best at sitting, and telling another one off for not having Fingers On Lips...

I swear the kids probably learn more in five minutes walking to the bus stop for swimming than they do in five minutes in school.

Riven they pack all the teaching in by not giving KS2 or KS3 kids an afternoon break

...having said that I spent a horrible year with a teacher who was newly qualified and a bit disorganised, and so usually a little bit late, and a horrible impatient parent who used to barge the q and thump loudly on the door the second the bell went, with what I call a Bailiff's Knock

...and then she used to go to the back of the queue, so it looked like some other poor sod had done it!

rrrrrr

I'm just jealous that the OP's kids' school finishes at 3.30. It's 3pm here and it is SO annoying having to leave the house at 2.45. (Mainly because I'm freelance and work from home and that loss of half an hour makes it feel as if I've only got half a day to work.)

At ds's school, every classroom has an external door. For foundation stage parents wait just outside the door and children are handed over to each parent in turn. For KS1, the teacher brings them out to one of the gates into the playground and lets them go when she sees the parent. KS2 not sure about.

There's a fence around the school site which is locked between drop off and pick up so anyone who wants to go in has to go to the main entrance and be buzzed in.

our school times are ermm..........not totally sure - what time they start - I know what time the gates are open so playground is supervised (DS1) and allowed into school to play/talk to friends/do stuff in their "busy books" (DS2's) school -

8.40 and 8.45........I know they finish at 3.10 and 3.20 - times agreed between the two schools as there are so many siblings that it allows parents to get their infant school child and walk up the road to the junior school to collect their junior school child without a mad panic.

We do 0830 till 3pm at our large secondary. We don't have tutor groups so that cuts out form time, registration etc, classes are registered each lesson online. We don't have changeover time between classes, we just have 5 1 hour classes per day, plus 40 mins 'enrichment' time between 220 and 3pm. During that time the pupils have one assembly a week and other, normally non-curricular activities for the other days of the week. Lunch is 30 mins, hard enough for the kids but nigh on impossible for teachers to eat anything. We do miss have tutor groups, I think that loss is a shame.

We finish earlier than some other schools nearby, (partly to avoid the inevitable fights that occur between rough schools like ours that are located close together) but we have cut out a lot of the 'extra' time from the day.

SpringHeeledJack - as some teachers have already said here, it may well be that 3.30 is the end of teaching time, and the teachers are getting the children ready for departure once the teaching time is over.

The alternative is cutting 10 minutes teaching time off the end of every day - which adds up to a lot of time lost.

I do think it would be reasonable of the OP to expect that, if this is the case, the school could have made this clear to the parents when their children entered the school, which would have enabled her to decide whether she could get her children to gym club after school.

However, she should be aware that this problem may well get worse not better as her children go up through the school. Once mine were in the Juniors, they were dismissed from their classrooms by the teachers and made their own way out of the building - and this could take my boys ages - partly due to the sheer number of children trying to get out of a small number of doors, and partly because they dawdled, even when they knew we had something to go to after school.

And whilst the OP may not have been unreasonable to want her children out of school at 3.30, she was both rude and very unreasonable to burst into the classroom and disrupt the end of the lesson in order to get her children out.

I am sure she would be the first to complain if her children's education was disrupted by other parents doing the same thing.