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AIBU?

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for upsetting dh about things that happened 14/15 years ago?

33 replies

onthepier · 28/01/2010 17:14

I'll explain, this may seem trivial to some but it's actually caused me a lot of upset!

Around 15 years ago, we were at my sister's having lunch when a couple of friends of hers called in unexpectedly. I know them as well, and was pleased to see them. We all chatted and they stayed for coffee. They made a real effort with dh, (considering they'd never met him) but he wasn't at his most sociable and completely blanked them, They clearly felt awkward and cut their visit short and I felt awful. I apologised that evening to my sister on the phone, and made sure my dh, (partner then), knew his behaviour wasn't on. He did apologise to me and promised to make more of an effort next time.

Anyway a few years later my mum was out with her friend, (who I've also known years) and mentioned that she may call in with her afterwards, as she'd never met dh and hadn't seen me in a while. DH knew this, we'd had a lovely day out ourselves, but when the doorbell rang he muttered about "having to turn off his tv programme and make small talk". Anyway, I opened the door to them, introduced dh and he just looked away. I insisted they came in and started making coffee, Mum already felt awkward with dh's reaction and as much as I was trying to diffuse the atmosphere they didn't stay long.

I had a right go at dh that night, saying I'd always made the effort with his friends and family, why couldn't he with mine. He readily admits he doesn't like "small talk", he has to have something in common with people or to be actually doing something, watching football with a group etc, to interact. However he was actually upset the rest of that weekend, as I made him realise how his behaviour (again!) had made others including me, feel.

Now my dh is popular, fairly outgoing and can be the life and soul of the party, with people he knows. If he's not feeling sociable he can't seem to make the effort though, although instances like these haven't happened in years, he's changed and by his own admission, is more self aware than he was and at every get-together, children's party etc, he's really made an effort.

It was something my sister said the other day though that got me. She mentioned some family friends and I was trying to remember the last time I saw them. She said, "Well with your dh's track record it's not surprising you haven't seen them, Mum and I wouldn't dream of calling in to you with anybody in tow, or inviting somebody else round when you're visiting with DH!"

I tried to say that was unfair, he's changed, even her own dh says what good company he is and her dd goes to him before she goes to me! She said yes but I've never forgotten how he was back then.

Tbh I got home and cried, it brought both these instances back and I suppose deep down I still feel awful about them, but realise it wasn't my fault. I suppose I took it out on him later yesterday, asked him again why he did it and did he realise the effect it had had (and is still having), he stomped off saying I'm just prone to "bearing grudges" and what about all the times since when he had made the effort. He went on a four day business trip this morning but I was in no mood to say goodbye properly and he left saying I'd really upset him. I'm thinking a bit more rationally now, but it's now as if those few times happened just yesterday.

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fernie3 · 28/01/2010 17:18

well I think YABU it was 15 years ago, I think that you all should haven moved on from this by now!, it was a small event to start with!

rubyslippers · 28/01/2010 17:21

it is totally trivial and agree with Fernie that you all need to move on

really bonkers to dredge it up after 15 years

TrillianAstra · 28/01/2010 17:21

Your sister was BVU, obviously, to claim a 'track record' at the same time as admitting that he is better now. But YABU to take it out on him when you say he has made an effort and is much more sociable these days.

Personally I woulnd't want someone to visit with other people 'in tow' anyway.

JeremyVile · 28/01/2010 17:23

You need to concentrate on the man he is now, not who he was then.

Your sister was a bit of an arse to mention it when she is aware that he has changed.

I look back at some of the ways I behaved 10+ years ago and cringe, but I'm glad that I got enough self awareness to change. Most people will feel similarly I'd have thought?

I'd be mortified to know that those closest to me still bore grudge despite knowing I'd chnged.

What do you expect him to do, exactly? All you can hope with someone like your husband was is that they'll learn and change...well he has!

Whats he meant to do with the information that you and your sister still feel angry at him?

woodyandbuzz · 28/01/2010 17:23

Your DH has blanked people who he only met once - they can only have one impression of him - he's rude.

Personally, I'd want an explanation - why did he behave like this? Furthermore, I'd like him to make an effort not to do it again. How embarassing!

I'm not surprised your mum and sister remember this stuff. Presumably they were both embarassed as well - they are mindful not to repeat everyone's embarassment - it's is not a question of moving on, it is a question of avoiding the problem occurring again.

I have an ASD and even I know that you don't blank people like that.

diddl · 28/01/2010 17:23

It´s your sister you should be cross with,especially if he´s changed.

belgo · 28/01/2010 17:23

YABU. If your dh has changed and is making an effort, you need to forget about the previous instances.

It's good that you stood up for him to your sister, but I think you should text your dh to say sorry for upsetting him and say you will miss him these next four days.

mazzystartled · 28/01/2010 17:26

I think that exceeds the statute of limitations

He should have been more well mannered, yes

But sheesh YABU

TheCrackFox · 28/01/2010 17:27

Blimey, your sister can hold a grudge. How on Earth can you all remember something so trivial from so long ago? Bizarre.

DandyLioness · 28/01/2010 17:31

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onthepier · 28/01/2010 18:21

Thanks for your replies, I know, it does seem a bit mad to be still worked up about something that happened this many years ago but I think yesterday just triggered it.

My dh has definitely changed, I admit he can be happy-go-lucky one day and then quiet the next, but you couldn't now describe him as rude.

We now have three children and a fairly boisterous dog. Combined with our eldest ds's friends coming and going, you could hardly call our home unwelcoming. If anything it's a bit chaotic but dh takes it in his stride, if he comes in from football and the neighbour/children from the next street are here he's polite and chatty to them! I really should put it behind me now and tell others to, have now texted my dh.

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purpleduck · 28/01/2010 18:27

jaysus!
Move on. and maybe reflect on what a gift it is to have a dh who examines his own behaviour and changes. Tis a sign of emotional maturity. Unlike holding grudges

skidoodle · 28/01/2010 18:33

YABU

It's not surprising that your Mum and your sister remember those two hideous events and make efforts to avoid their being repeated.

It's not their job to forgive him (since presumably he has never apologised to them) or to move on or believe he's changed. It's their job to accept that he's your husband, like him as well as they can, and work around his foibles.

Which is what they have done.

However, it is your job to have forgiven him and to be over this stuff. It was ridiculous to have a row about something so long in the past and to let him go off on a business trip with you in a mood about something he can't change and has made amends for years ago.

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 28/01/2010 18:46

SO not what I thought this was going to be about.

Lulumama · 28/01/2010 18:52

yikes. scary that your sister remembers this stuff from 15 years ago and uses it as a stick to beat you all with !!!! it is her who is in the wrong, not your DH

it was really unkind to not even say goodbye to your DH before his trip due to this, now who's being rude>>

YABU and your sister needs to drink a cup of grow the hell up, or whatever brilliant phrase i am misquoting

MmeLindt · 28/01/2010 18:58

Your sister is being VU. To bring this up after so many years, especially when he has tried hard to change his behaviour.

He must feel like he has been kicked in the teeth. Poor man.

You owe him an apology. Can you get in touch tonight and say that your sis pushed your buttons and you should not have mentioned it.

And maybe say how proud you are that he got over his natural shy nature to become more welcoming to your friends and family.

KurriKurri · 28/01/2010 19:12

He behaved badly fifteen years ago, but it seems as if he's done all he can to make amends - he's changed his behaviour, not an easy thing to do.

IME, I became much less shy and more confident once I had children - you have to be to deal with stuff like doc. appointments, parent evenings, other parents etc.

I'd have thought that being a member of the family, your sister and mum would be willing to give him another chance.

I'm not surprised he's fed up about still being told off for something he did fifteen years ago.

belgo · 28/01/2010 19:18

I've glad you've sent a text, it wasn't nice for him to go away upset, without you saying goodbye.

CirrhosisByTheSea · 28/01/2010 19:24

my god, the poor bloke getting faced with this one 15 years down the line! Glad you've texted him.

Morloth · 28/01/2010 19:27

YABU and very strange, he was a bit rude and standoffish on 2 occasions 15 years ago and you are crying about it now?

You know this is crazy don't you?

onthepier · 28/01/2010 20:03

Yes Morloth, I know it must sound crazy but at the time I was most hurt that he seemingly had so little respect for me, to let me down and show no consideration for members of my family, however like I say, he has changed.

I suppose what gets me is before a family gathering or something I tend to get from some family member, "Does you DH really want to come? He should make the effort though, we all are!"

Last year my aunt who just lives in the next town said she'd thought about dropping by the previous day as she was in our area but decided not to, as she knows how my dh hates unexpected visitors from what other people have said! I'm sure he'd have been pleased to see her.

So from my point of view I did nothing wrong but any negativity towards my dh is directed at me, which I do find upsetting. Btw, none of my family have ever spoken to my dh about those incidents years ago, but bring it up with me almost as if it's my fault!

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AnyFucker · 28/01/2010 20:10

do you know what ?

he would have only got 15 yrs for murder

but could have got out in less for good behaviour

MmeLindt · 28/01/2010 20:44

Do you know what, I think that you should be mad at your family not at your DH.

And you should show your DH more respect and loyalty. He has worked on his behaviour because he loves you and knows it is important to you and your family is still harking on about what happened 15 years ago.

nighbynight · 28/01/2010 20:54

I think you need to have words with all your family, to the effect that he wasnt good with people 15 years ago, but he has made huge strides since then, and you dont want to hear anything else from them about him being awkward.
Then say just to make it clear, you are happy if they drop in any time (but get dh's agreement to that first!)
Then your position is totally clear.

SolidGoldBrass · 28/01/2010 20:58

Are you sure it;s not your family who are appalling, precious and demanding as guests? Because holding a grudge for 15 years that someone wasn't thrilled to have them drop in unexpectedly makes them sound like the sort of people most people wouldn't want dropping in and bleating to be fussed over all the time.