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to wish dh wouldn't refuse to wipe a snotty nose or change a dirty nappy

68 replies

washedandreadytoeat · 28/01/2010 13:19

every once in a while? Or help with the housework occasionally?

Have namechanged for this as somewhat embarassed...

There are a lot of similar threads knocking about at the moment, but thought I'd start this fresh one to show dh.

I am currently a SAHM though going back to work part time soon. DH works full time, very busy stressful job, almost three hours commute each day. He leaves around 7:30 am and returns around 7:30pm. DS is 16 months old, very spirited and lively. Usually happy, but needs my attention all the time - cant even go to the toilet without him. Currently teething, hardly eating, wanting to breastfeed all the time. Never slept through the night, has only recently started doing 3 hour stretches before midnight, but still wakes several times between midnight and 5am.

I dont need a lot of sleep, but waking up so often during the night does make me grumpy and tired during the day, which is not nice for ds either. Still DH does not do any housework during the week at all, and hardly any at the weekends. At weekends he sometimes prepares breakfast or dinner, will do the odd nappychange (as long as it is not a pooey one), a bit of hoovering (if we expect visitors) and other bits and bobs. All in all not much - by his own admission he is very lazy during the weekends as needs to recover from work.

He tells me I've got it easy; being at home all day, meeting with mums having coffee and gossping all the time... well yes, I do love looking after ds, and we do go to playdates a lot, which of course does involve coffee too. But looking after a toddler can be bloody exhausting too. None of the other mums are real friends that I would socialise with if it werent for ds. Since having ds I have been out by myself for perhaps four or five times. The last time when I had to have root canal treatment - and guess what! I looked forward to it and thoroughly enjoyed every second of it.

Have I mentioned DS gets up by 5am every morning? I get up with him so DH can sleep until 7pm. Usually I am then greeted by a huge pile of dirty dishes from the previous night when I would have been too tired to do any washing up (we dont have a dishwasher).

Most days I am just fine, ds and I have a lot of fun together and somehow I get most of the housework done too. But every now and then it gets too much, I get tearful, grumpy and whingey. Thought at some point I was developing depression, but GP said it was just exhaustion. DH, though temporarily sympathetic, hasnt really offered any additional help since then. He just thinks I am quite pathetic sometimes, turning into my own mother, and -even worse- comparing my "performance" to that of his own mum who apparently coped bloody amazingly with her two boys and kept the house impeccably clean and tidy.

The other night I had a bad evening - ds had thrown food everywhere, I was tired and, well, in a bit of a state. All DH was interested in was when dinner would be served. We ended up having a big row, and in the end he did apologise, sort of.

I could go on forever but you get my gist (thanks for reading if you have made it this far!).

Am I being unfair on DH? His job IS very demanding, he is knackered when he gets home in the evening and he DOES need a lot of sleep to function. He does also do a lot of other things that dont fall into the housework category, e.g. researching holidays. He is wonderful with DS, we do a lot of fun family activities together, although so far he has not once proactively offered to take him somewhere by himself, e.g. playground.

So, aibu to expect a little more sometimes? Also, we are ttc - am I mad??

OP posts:
washedandreadytoeat · 28/01/2010 13:53

well thursday, dh is going to have a chance to experience a full day of toddlerdome very soon :-) we are going skiing soon and will be taking turns looking after ds during the day. There wont be any escape from pooey nappies then! Am very much looking forward to the holiday - bloody well need it!

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 28/01/2010 13:55

My DH isn't marvellous just for doing his fair share. Hell, I do mine, too!

Everyone deserves that at least.

VinegarTits · 28/01/2010 13:55

and i have a demanding job that keeps me out of the house from 7.30 till 6, 5 days a week, then i come home and i do ALL of the housework and ALL of the parenting (single parent) so he is also a bit of a wimp if he cant cope with anything else other than his job

BecauseImWorthIt · 28/01/2010 13:56

Why are ceding to his view that a cleaner is unnecessary? Is it that, because you're now a SAHM, he has control of the purse strings? If so, you need to address that immediately.

Get a cleaner and get a dishwasher.

I would also, if it was me, look into some sleep training for your DS. At this age he shouldn't be waking several times during the night.

You sound exhausted, and I'm not surprised.

Give your (D)H a lie in on Saturday (so he can recover from his week) and then demand that you have one on Sunday. If he's such a great dad, perhaps he can take DS to the park/swimming/out anywhere on Sunday morning and leave you to have a lie in in peace.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 28/01/2010 13:56

The thing is, as you have intimated, this needs to get sorted before you have any more DCs.

The transition to 2 is very hard. It really becomes all hands on deck, and if he's not there, you are going (from what I have observed) to end up as a pseudo single-mother with no relationship with your DH because you resent him.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 28/01/2010 13:58

expat - you are right - see old linguistic habits die hard!

ThursdayNext · 28/01/2010 13:59

Not sure if on holiday will be quite the same though, are you self-catering? Because it's cooking and washing and trying to have a house which is not a complete wreck in addition to looking after children which makes it more difficult.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 28/01/2010 13:59

I second sleep training.

ktbeau · 28/01/2010 14:01

He sounds very unreasonable. My DH works similar hours, in a very stressful job and he helps out LOADS more.

Sometimes he leaves by 6am, comes home at 7pm, takes over bath/bed routine with our 2dd then, when they are asleep carries on working at the table until 10pm with 30 min break to eat his dinner. And he doesn't moan.

At weekends we do at least 50/50 housework/pooey nappies but often he does 70 to my 30.

I told him I am having one saturday a month off and I write it on the calendar (first sat in the month generally) sometimes I go shopping or see a friend. I love to sew and I make patchwork quilts, obv I haven't done much since dd's. Last month I booked a small room in our local church hall, took my sewing machine and sat and sewed in there all day with my friend.

I try to leave as early as poss and aim to get home after the kids are in bed so he gets a feel for what a full on day is like. (might I suggest feeding your ds prunes for every meal the day before!! )

Every few months he takes the dd's away for a few days to his parents (200 miles away) so I can have R&R and a peaceful house (bliss!) also it means he doesn't have to do much cos his parents love taking over with the girls.

He has learnt not to criticise when he comes home to a bombsite because it means I have had a bad day and need tlc!

Show your DH this thread, he needs a kick up the bum. His behaviour and attitude are not good for your long term physical or mental health

VinegarTits · 28/01/2010 14:02

And you need a break OP from your dc once in a while OP, even if its to catch up on your sleep, blimey even most single parents get a break when the dc go to the other parent, your not even getting that!

I would suggest to the fuckwimp your DH that he takes ds out for a couple of hours at the weekend (and every weekend) so you can have some 'me' time

FishInMyHair · 28/01/2010 14:05

The way I see it, is that if he was living alone, he would have to do EVERYTHING for himself and if you were earning money working the same hours as he is he would be doing his fair share, but because you are at home caring for his child, he thinks he can pick and choose what he wants to do.
It pees me off. When OHs refuse to do some of the crappy jobs, it's like saying you are worth less so you can do it. For me, it is not about the amount say, it's the attitude.

Undercovamutha · 28/01/2010 14:07

It drives me BONKERS when H's say to SAHM's 'I've been at work all day!', like SAHM's have NEVER worked!

Before I had DCs, I used to work full time, and I didn't just come home and sit on my arse bemoaning the fact that I had a full-time job. No, I still had to clean the house, cook the dinner, put the washing on, do the finances etc, and so did DH. So where is it written that as soon as an H's wife becomes a SAHM or p/t WOHM, the H's job suddenly becomes much more stressful than ever before, rendering them completely useless at home.

Unbelievable!

expatinscotland · 28/01/2010 14:11

Oh, and I've had a 'stressful' job working insane hours and been a SAHP and can tell you which one was less work!

I doubt he's out there saving the world or working for Doctors without Borders in Haiti.

Chil1234 · 28/01/2010 14:14

I think that if the OP has allowed this to go on for 16 months already she has very little prospect of changing her husband's behaviour without seriously forcing the issue. Some men do feel that being the breadwinner is completing their side of the bargain, even today. But that doesn't excuse boorish, insensitive behaviour.

I'd definitely get a cleaner to help around the house and a dishwasher to deal with the dishes. I'd also be planning a few nights out with the girlfriends or nightschool courses so that you get a social life and he has to babysit. He has to spend time with his own child... that's something else you can work into the mix. And I wouldn't try to 'sell' any of these ideas but simply present them as a fait accompli....

Romanarama · 28/01/2010 14:14

OP, that's not a very long working day really, though the commuting must be stressful. My dh is out at 7.45 and never home before 9.30pm. If I can't be bothered to make dinner he just goes back out for a takeaway though, fortunately. I totally sympathise with how you feel about your dwindling status. I thought I'd stop working for a bit as 2 parents with long hours wasn't good for family emotional health, but I just can't stand being automatically the person responsible for whether or not the laundry's done and suchlike. I can't stand it, it feels demeaning. Money is power, and I hope to be back in the workplace asap. The kids will cope. I'm a really competent professional and a shit housewife anyway. Might as well play to my strengths. By the way, we have a cleaner at least 10 hours per week (big house, 3 kids), often 15 hours. I never iron, and only do essential cleaning like the kitchen after meals, puppy accidents etc. I am not a servant. Nor are you. Just hire one and tell him if he doesn't like it he can complete the list of tasks you've prepared for the cleaner.

Missus84 · 28/01/2010 14:14

You both work fulltime, so the chores at the weekends should be split equally at least.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 28/01/2010 14:15

Yes, me too expat, and not once did anyone I worked with insist on coming to the toilet with me .....

Romanarama · 28/01/2010 14:19

Btw, my dh suddenly stopped acting as though he was doing me/them some kind of favour by tidying up or spending time with the kids once ds3 came along. It took that long for the balance to tip enough for him to get a grip. I don't consider him a bad husband at all though. He's socially and culturally conditioned to think domestic affairs are not for professional men. I need to counter this, if only for the benefit of future dils

ThursdayNext · 28/01/2010 14:22

Thinking about the individual tasks I would say:
Looking after your son should be shared equally whenever you are both home, including wiping noses and changing nappies. That's a no brainer. If anything the partner who has been to work will often do more when they come in, being hopefully rather pleased to see their child.
Get a dishwasher if you possibly can.
Cooking, washing, shared whenever you are both home.
If you are at home with a 16 month old, most non-daily housework can probably be done on weekdays, so neither you or DH should have to do much in the evenings or at weekends. If DS is ill then nothing much will get done and you should share housework when DH is around. Shopping is probably easier online.
Stuff like researching holidays doesn't replace getting off your arse and cooking the dinner.
A cleaner won't solve the underlying issues here, though get one if you both think it's a good use of your money.

I think you should try to resolve some of this before trying to conceive.

Ripeberry · 28/01/2010 14:27

My husband was a bit like that, until one Saturday I had a raging fever and could not get out of bed.
He HAD to look after our daughter then, and now he loves looking after them

mistlethrush · 28/01/2010 14:29

I don't think dh really 'got' what it was like to be at home looking after ds until I just left him to it one Friday/Saturday. I gave him a list of things that needed to be done on the Saturday - some important (like swimming lesson) some less important (coffee morning). Dh managed everything except the swimming lesson - but the house was a bomb site and he was clearly at what it's like to be looking after a small child all day. I now come to work for a rest!

But its not fair if you never get a lie-in - OK, all week I understand why you let him have a bit more - but tell him that you need to have a lie in on a Saturday morning - he can catch up on his normal Sunday morning nap!

jelliebelly · 28/01/2010 14:47

He needs to realise that you are his wife not his mother and do things for himself once in a while - asking when dinner will be on the table would be the last straw for me I'm afraid!

I am currently SAHM and dh works long hours but he willingly does loads more than your dh by the sound of it - researching holidays and coming along to do the weekly shop DO NOT count as being helpful and you need to stop making excuses for him.

Add another baby into the mix and you are heading for disaster imo - you need to make life easier for yourself:-

  • hire a cleaner
  • buy a dishwasher
  • do online delivery for grocery shopping

You also need to try and sort out ds sleeping (easier said than done I know) but how on earth do you manage with so much broken sleep - this needs to be sorted before another baby comes along and adds to the mix.

As a general thought, I also wonder when women post that their dh has a very busy/stressful job - how do you know or do you just have their word for it? I really don't believe that many jobs are that busy or stressful that a person is incapable of helping with their child's bedtime or getting their own dinner ready...I have worked for many years in a male dominated industry and I know that while many of their dws were at home looking after children, they were at work, entertaining clients, having meetings, drinking coffee, chatting with colleagues etc etc

GrendelsMum · 28/01/2010 15:06

I'm afraid that Jelliebelly is right.

Your husband does not appear to do anything to contribute to running the house, except for providing finances - researching holidays and coming along to do a shop are not helpful.

I also agree that it is unlikely that his job makes him incapable of helping put a child to bed or get a dinner ready.

You may feel guilty if you point out that work needs to be more equally shared around the house, but if you don't sort this out, you will probably find yourself resenting your DH, your DH won't develop a relationship with the DCs, you may end up with your marriage going down the tube, your DCs will not enjoy that, etc. Better to clear things up now, than have your DCs in 30 years say 'I love dad, but he's really lazy and totally incompetent round the house'.

groundhogs · 28/01/2010 19:20

very at this thread, you've had 16m of this and some are saying it's too far gone to be pulled back...???

Jeez, i've literally no chance then of ever having a day off, or a lie in.

Mind you, dh has been asking why he's not getting much at the moment, might just print off this thread, or better read it out to him and ask him if it might give him a clue...

MamaVoo · 28/01/2010 20:06

YA definitely NBU!

One suggestion I'd make which might make your life a little easier is to give him a shopping list and send him off with your DS to get the shopping. If he's anything like my DH he'll be gone for ages. You'll get a bit of time to yourself, the shopping will get done (although be prepared for all the extra crazy crap they come home with) and he'll probably get to see how stressful dealing with a toddler on your own can be.

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