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To think that Marks & Spencers closing their dressing rooms is absurd

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paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 11:03

I was in Marks & Spencers yestaerday and saw a couple of really cute dresses so I took them to the dressing rooms to try them on. The dressing rooms were closed. The sales assisant then told me that they now close them during the sales. I explained to her that yesterday was a rare day when I didn't have my very young son screaming his head off and that returning it would be a hassle. She rudely refused me even though i'm a really good customer and shop their daily. I don't understand how this policy benefits their customers. I felt really angry. Am I being unreasonable?

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paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 15:51

gag

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MollieO · 30/12/2009 15:55

Well our M&S wasn't very busy at all. No queue for either the tills or the changing rooms. Not a place I'd want to go every day though. My ds used to scream in there when he was a toddler. I just assumed he was screaming at all the awful clothes .

sassy · 30/12/2009 16:05

at MollieO

paula's Ds - Aaaaah! Per Una!!! Aaaaah! Enormous old lady pants in shades of beige! AaaaaaaaaaH!!

sassy · 30/12/2009 16:06

Sorry Paula, that wasnt helpful. Agree, sales shopping (of any sort, anywhere) is crap.

BalloonSlayer · 30/12/2009 17:50

What are these "cute dresses" of which you speak, Paula? Are you sure it was M&S you were in?

doughnutty · 30/12/2009 18:18

"it only takes one person to staff the dressing rooms."

You have obviously never worked for M&S or any other retailer!!

The store I work in often has 6 people in the fitting room and could often do with more.

You must be one of the minority of people who try stuff on and hand it back to the girls with it perfectly buttoned/zipped up, facing the right way on the hanger (or even bringing the hanger back), with the item not inside out. If you shop with M&S every day you should have witnessed some of this. One person manning a fitting room would last about 5 minutes without going spare and you would certainly then have place to complain about poor customer service.

Do you think the stuff you try on with no intention of buyng it just miraculously reappears on the shelves??

YABU

You are an a**e.

MorrisZapp · 30/12/2009 18:28

Trust me, if the changing rooms had been open they'd have been a stinking hell hole with a queue right across the sales floor.

You wouldn't have been happy either way.

doughnutty · 30/12/2009 18:35

Sorry. just read my post. you are not an a**e, I am.

It has been a long day.

Paolosgirl · 30/12/2009 18:58

So glad you cleared that up, doughnutty!

Kaloki · 30/12/2009 19:57

Just want to answer an earlier point about retailers factoring in an extra hours wages so that people can use the fitting rooms in the last 15 minutes.

First of all, most high street shops are open 9-6 right? This is pretty standard. In my experience, by about 5:30, high streets are quietening down as most people know that it's 9-6. So, of course, staff are paid for 9-6. Overtime in retail stores is pretty unheard of, aside from the day before sales when everyone gets dragged in to get the sales ready. (That would be late night Xmas eve usually, what a great time to be working)

So if the store shuts at 6, then the tidy up begins. The tidy up can take between 10 minutes and an hour (or more during sales!). If you owned a retail chain, would you pay all staff an extra hour just in case the tidy up took an hour? You wouldn't would you? So, of course, they don't.

You will also notice, if you look around the store at about 5:30 you'll notice staff are starting to tidy, but their priority is the customer, so only so much gets done.

Oh, forgot to say, the store technically closes at 6. Heh. What an idea! Have you ever been approached by a member of staff at about 6pm to say "can I help you?"?. The correct response, in case you were wondering, is not "no, I'm just browsing, thanks". It's "yes, I would like such and such", or "yes, I'd like to buy such and such", or "oh sorry, you're closed now aren't you? I'll be off". But if you are like 90% of customers who have to be asked this, you'll choose the first one, and the sales assistant will walk away picturing you burning in fire and brimstone.

Because they will not get paid overtime. Because they will be shattered from 8 hours on their feet, and they will know that the longer you stay, the longer they stay. Unpaid and tired. (But it's ok, they made 8 hours minimum wage that day, woohoo)

I've stayed in a shop (with a customer) till 6:45 before because we put the customer first. We got out at 7:15, and that was only because we'd been tidying around said customer.

Because, the. customer. is. always. right. (I still to this day want to find whoever coined this phrase and torture them, preferably by poking them with coat hangers for all eternity)

So if you know the shop closes at 6. And by the way, the definition of a shop closing is that the doors are shut and the customers have left. Then why run in there 10-15 minutes beforehand and expect to try on clothes? You may say you'll be quick. But then so will the person who wants to try on 6 items, find they are all the wrong size, then try them all on in a different size, then go back to an earlier item, try it on again, then decide after all that they didn't like any of them and leave. Technically they may have done all this quickly, but you are still out late with no extra pay and without a sale at the end of it.

Have you ever been to a pub/club which refuses admittance after a certain time? They do this because they want to close vaguely on time. Is that letting down the customer? Or should the customer, possibly, have figured it out for themselves?

If a shop wants to 100% always cater to the customers' wants then they'd need to be open 24/7, and then the customer would be pissed off as the prices would go up to cover the wages! There may be supermarkets that do this, but they are not the majority and it works for them as they are usually giant stores with a high turnover. The bigger clothes retailers will also stay open later. For the smaller stores it makes no sense.

The staff are people too and would quite like to leave sometime around when they stop getting paid. They would also like to not have 9 hours on their feet for minimum wage.

Also, if you automatically gave ll staff an extra hours pay to allow them to tidy up, some customers would definitely take the piss and stay even later. So the staff would still end up doing unpaid work. Same goes for overtime, there'd be a lot of "oh, well you'll appreciate the extra money" comments. When all the staff want to do is go home. Is that so weird??

Kaloki

Kaloki · 30/12/2009 20:01

Also, oops, that was a bit of a rant wasn't it?

paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 21:03

It was a black knit dress and a grey cable knit dress. Both were cute. I agree I don't usually see things in there I like.

Actually Doughnutty I had every intention of buying them. I wasn't just trying them on for kicks.

I also usually do hand the item back to the sales girl but its put back on properly and on the hanger.

I didnt think it took six people. Having said that surely they should put on however many people it takes. I just think its poor customer service

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Northernhahaha · 30/12/2009 21:22

It isn't just about service and staff numbers though. It really is the reality of huge, huge queues for fitting rooms and tills, therefore leaving stores that people (both staff and customers) can't move around in.

The stock ends up on rails coming out of the fitting rooms and so trying to manoeuvre those across the sales floor to the right area is also a nightmare (the whole time fighting off hysterical bargain-hunters who are willing to rip you limb-from-limb to grab a skirt with 50p off)

It is a policy that lasts a matter of days, is very common and like it or not, does make life easier for the majority of customers as the staff can concentrate on keeping the till queues shorter and sales floor tidier.

Glad to hear you shop in M&S every day though - keeps me in a job!

LymeBayToEbay · 30/12/2009 21:54

"OP, they probably did recognise you today. Probably thought oh it's that woman who comes in here every day with that poor child who is hurting himself in anger and sadness at having to schlep round the shop every damn day when he's clearly let his mother know how god awful the experience is for everybody concerned."

I think you'll find it was tongue in cheek.

I've worked in retail. You know and recognise the woman who comes in every day with a child screaming and protesting so much he's headbutting a trolley.

paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 22:05

Actually Northern they have lost my business. Not because of the policy but because of the way the sales assisant was with me. Maybe I was the 100th person that day to ask, I don't know, but she was very rude and dismissive. I would have at least expected a civil tone when explaining the policy

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DunderMifflin · 30/12/2009 22:17

So, no more daily shopping then?

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 30/12/2009 22:40

Kaloki - I think I love you.

I will never forget the customer who kept me at work until nearly 8 o sodding clock. Shop shut at 5, ffs. And the only reason I ended up staying was because my boss' kid's nursery shut at 6.30 - this was pre kids for me.

paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 22:53

Well yes I'll still shop daily but it will mean going to the independant grocers. It further away and more expensive but i'd rather do that now.

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ShirleyKnott · 30/12/2009 22:58

omg if its the limited collection grey dres( now out of stock- you were right to buy

paulaplumpbottom · 30/12/2009 22:59

I'm not sure which collection it was but its was reduced to £18. I didn't buy it in the end anyway.

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standingonmyhands · 31/12/2009 03:34

Paula - inbetween your first post at 11.07 and last post at 16.30 you could've tried on just about everything in the ruddy shop! The time you spent on here moaning could've been put to use returning the stuff you bought. Or, controversial or what, have you actually tried the stuff on to see if it fits??

BTW, friends of our are farmers - you talked about M&S providing better quality food - they showed me the payscale they use to supply to local markets, local convenience stores, bigger supermarkets, M&S... you see where this is going don't you? This is not just a lettuce, this is a 300% marked up lettuce...

Kaloki · 31/12/2009 10:51

TAFKA I'm amazed you read all that turns out I have a lot of pent up annoyance left over from my years in retail.

Honmestly though Paula the shops cannot win at sales time. If the changing rooms were open then most of the stock would end up in the changing rooms as the staff can only put the stock back into the store so quickly. It would also mean giant queues to get to the changing rooms.

Changing room duty is usually the least wanted job in a store due to how busy it gets. You not only have to make sure the customers get the clothes they want, so you are normally running to and fro getting alternative sizes. You also have to get the unwanted clothes back onto the shop floor (on hangers, not back to front, not inside out). You also have to retrieve clothes from the floor of the changing rooms - ideally as soon as a customer leaves the changing rooms so that you can check they haven't stolen anything and left the electronic tags behind. All the while keeping track of who is going in and how many items. Easy on a quiet day, hell during sales.

Which means the turnaround in changing rooms cannot be that quick. So the customer is inconvenienced anyway - which is fun, because you'll get abuse for not being quick enough.

If they shut the changing rooms though it may inconvenience customers who want to try things on, but it will speed up the tills, it will mean that the sales rails can be kept tidier - so easier for you to find stuff. Which in turn means that the constant tidying during the day gives them more chance of getting out sometime around when they are due to finish work. (Ever tidied a sales rail before?)

OrmIrian · 31/12/2009 11:02

kaloki - you have all my sympathy. There is no time and place where the great British public show to worse effect than in shops and particularly during sales time. Not accusing Paula of this of course But I guess when you been spoken to rudely and treated unpleasantly by 20 people, the 21st gets short shrift.

I could not work in retail!

Kaloki · 31/12/2009 11:09

No sympathy needed here, I escaped retail a while back! I make a point of being as nice to retail staff as possible now.

ruddynorah · 31/12/2009 11:31

rofl at trying to put tried on sale stock out while the shop is still open!! you can not MOVE as all the customers think there is something very very exciting on the rail you're trying to empty. so it all ends up on the floor. then you pick all that up and move onto the next counter, turn round and ooops all the stuff on the first counter is on the floor again, so you do that one again, then ooops your other counter is all on the floor. and so on. until you decide it's not worth bothering.

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