To be annoyed at someone on the bf/bottle feeding forum saying that formula should only be available on prescription

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That person obviously has found bf a complete and utter doddle and might not have encountered any problems with it. These comments do nothing to promote bf imo only reaffirm the stereotype of bf matrons. If formula were to only be available on prescription it would penalise those who are struggling to bf and need that extra to top up, or those who have made the choice not to bf though respecting their decision is a bit to me.

darn she might have gotten away if dem pesky kids hadnt meddled

sorry - i just wrote a really serious post and then my browser crashed!

I just can't believe I got told to fuck off!

thedollshouse your name is a bit creepy. sounds like a steven king novel.

my arent you touchy missy!

who's missy?

LOL yer browser works now then toots

it does, how annoying! It was quite a long post too! Probably what I should have written originally

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It was just saying that I think it is really sad that mums aren't given support, i think people making money out of women in developing countries is outrageous, Swedish BFing rates are a lot better than here, and we can't be that different, and if I ever need to use formula, I want to know what is in it, and can't believe they can be ambiguous about the ingredients in babyfood. Oh, and what motivated me to write the title was 'Flying the Sister Flag' - I think women deserve more support. I also think relatives saying 'just give him a bottle' is unfortunately really powerful...

It was just alot longer and more boring interesting

Oh please.....such nonsense. Some of this stuff is so pathetic...

"I suspect relatively few new Mums find it easy to BF, so find it really hmm that the "smug breastfeeders" should make the new mums who are struggling to BF/choose not to/end up mixing feeds feel bad"

How so? Smug in what way? And how do they make you feel bad?
This seriously pisses me off. Constantly attacbking BF'ers for making the poor auld FF's feel bad by.....what exactly? Flaunting it? By even just doing it? I've never seen anyone jumping in my face and shouting ner ner ner I can feed and you can't. Nobody makes you feel bad except yourself. What is with the infantile schaedenfreude of the formula feeders?

Soooo sick of.
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morning everyone, i've written on the other thread... its not that funny - i was laughing at the ridiculousness of the whole thing - of being attacked and then the immaturity of someone basically bitching about me (from a one line post ), and how crap 'breast is best' is when formula manufacturers have those happy babies laughing and laughing (are they even real - they look a bit CGIed) cos they are on iron enriched formula - notice the language used in those adverts too - very clever!

Its not a grudge thing scottishmummy?! I don't even really know what you mean - i just posted an article and said i was shocked by it and more to the point asked if it was all true!!! No FFing lady has come forward with any evidence to the contrary, incidentally.

I didn't know till just now that this thread about a thread existed.

sooo, I'd like to quote this excellent point from the other thread onto this one:

by RubyBuckleBerry: "People have commented on how my 'ire' should be directed more usefully. Consider this, if the amount of vitriol aimed at me was aimed at those in charge, something might change. If the anger women feel about not being able to breastfeed was directed at the right people, not some internet poster, it might help other women breastfeed in the future."

Amen to that.

As you were.

hang on though.... aren;t prescriptions free? And areyou honeslty suggesting that a doctor would stop a mum not wanting to breast feed getting formlua?

Just would not happen.

Total balls

I mix fed, How would they cope with that?

Seriously bad netiquette and mumsnettiquette to start a thread about a thread....for a host of good reasons, too...

Just to correct some points: Scandinavia was not in the situation of the UK 40 years ago in terms of bf/ff stats. I have family and friend in all the Scandi countries and I have read the literature about this. Scandinavia never formula fed on a grand scale, ever. There was some early weaning and early mixed feeding (from about 3-4 mths) which showed on their stats and they turned this round - but it was fairly easy as there was no cultural expectation that anyone would do anything but bf, and no social twitchiness about bf anywhere, either.

Formula is freely available to buy - it might be avail. on scrip as well, not sure.

It would make very little sense for docs to prescribe formula here because they know very little about infant feeding, or about the reasons why someone might use formula.

However, formula is over-priced and should be at permanently low prices, without all the massively expensive marketing and branding that goes on. Constituents of formula should be consistent and their effects and the lack of research into new ingredients should be public knowledge, too.

And while ff mothers are entitled to support and of course they don't deserve judgement or criticism, they cannot blame bf mothers for their unhappiness....or tell bf supporters and promoters it's their fault they feel bad.

I'm from Sweden and the expectation there is certainly that you will breastfeed, at least for the first couple of months. Plenty of mothers do go on the ff later on, in particular once starting solids. Parental leave is generous and as a result children don't go to nurseries before they are 1. Everything is geared towards having breastfeeding as a norm. I think these social expecations make a huge difference. I had my fair share of difficulties (in particular with dd2 who had undiagnosed tongue tie) but never doubted that I could sort it out and breastfeed.

Choosing to formula feed, for whatever reason, is more risky than breastfeeding. That's jsut how it is. Of course ff should be available, but the norm of a society should be to breastfeed and to give proper support and encouragment to enable that. Not just say, breast is best and then not support women breastfeeding.

I did BF, and it was hard, and had to use formula to see me through the nights with DC2 who woke up every two hours and left me so exhausted my milk nearly dried up. Yep and only 4% of mothers don't have enough milk - and I know all of them. To all those who say 'what's wrong - prescriptions are free etc' you try getting an emergency apptmt at a docs and queueing at an out of hrs pharmacy when you have one screaming hungry baby and one toddler and DH away (or maybe - horrors - no DH/DP around at all!). Bad enough if a child has a raging ear infection as we probably all know. Oh and NB - as I said - this is from someone who did try her hardest thank you so just hold the flame throwers.

I wonder what Sweden's defence spending is compared to Britain. I would guess significantly less, seeing as they are not a nuclear power...

tbh health spending is stretched as it is, and there are more significant priorities than breastfeeding.

More breastfeeding would save the country a lot of money in the long run, so it would be a pretty savvy investment really.

Breastfeeding is hard. I failed with dc1 but have managed to feed dc3 for 9 months now. I had to be determined to make it work. But I knew it wasn't going to be easy at the start. It's easy enough now though.
With dc1 I gave up after 6 days, had mastitus, pain, screaming baby who seemed hungry all the time.
With dc2 all of this happened but I knew I was going to get through it and I did.
I think people believe that bf is going to be easy but it really isn't.
But like most things in life, you get back what you put in.

Lol @ babybarrister 'all babies need food - let's just feed them!'

Accurate, succinct, indisputable, surely there isn't any more to be said