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To be fed up with being a wife?

64 replies

hahaimawitch · 11/12/2009 09:57

I am sure this is the case for many. We both work full time, own businesses. However I work from home. Therefore I am also fulltime mum and run the home and our lives in general. We don't earn enough to have extra childcare so cue very late nights and weekend working for me.
DH does what he can, cooks when here, cleans and looks after children at weekend.
However I am fit to scream at the constantness of it all, being the one who does bloody everything, the washing etc and we are at each others throats.
I know that if I didn't think about the nitty gritty, getting children to school with the right stuff, milk in the fridge, bills paid etc etc it would all go wrong.
DH says well you can do all that as you work from home, he can't as he isn't here.
I am freaking out over school holidays and the mighty juggling act that is coming, whn I ask can he take a couple of days off to help I get a, sorry no I am too busy. Partly in his defence, we are going on holiday over new year and there are only so many days left before christmas.
Because he isn't here he has the mentality - today he has an early meeting so off he goes. For me to have an early meeting I need a weeks notice to get childcare etc sorted.
He says he does what he can, he does try but I have really had enough and neither of us can back down which is now really getting out of hand.
He really believes he can't do more than he does.
Any suggestions before we implode in an almighty mess, we currently can bearly speak to each other.

OP posts:
Bonsoir · 11/12/2009 11:22

Completely agree about acceptance. Of course, it is quite nice being The Boss, despite the responsibilities!

ChickensHaveNoTinsel · 11/12/2009 11:25

Personally, I don't think it's a man/woman thing. Some people can have many things on the go at once, and still get things done. Some can't. My DH has to do one thing at a time. I can put a wash on while cooking the dinner, and talking on the phone. IF DH is on the phone, he has to go somewhere quiet. My friend is exactly like DH, and her husband is the multi tasker. However, everything still gets done, IYSWIM. I get irritated with DH if he doesn't get certain things done in record time, because I would have. Thing is, it still gets done his way. It's just not the way I would have done it. So, I have to back off, and allow that he works in a different way. My way, by 7pm I'm sat on my arse eating chocolate and watching telly. DH is often still mooching about the house looking for his shoes at 9.

porcamiseria · 11/12/2009 11:34

I hear you 10000000%

my DP is a SAHD, does a great job but guess who does the bulk of laundy, tidying up, bills, admin, cleaning?? Me! and I work FT

But I think what you refer to is the constant undercurrent of resentment that seems to be always simmering, and we have just the same. Its row after row after row.

Far Weldon said something interesting along the lines of: woman wanted equality and the opportunity to have careers. Now we have it, and we are just bloody knackered!!

I just dont think that men really have domestic admin in thair DNA. That may sound sexist but from what I read here and hear from my friends , its true!
So we can ask them to share the load as much as we like, but they wont "see" the dirt and mounting work in the same way as we do.

we are basically fucked! work till we die

no answers but I hear you.Plus its winter, dark, cold and flu timke and 2009 has been tough year for many....

Pitchounette · 11/12/2009 11:36

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Pitchounette · 11/12/2009 11:42

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Bonsoir · 11/12/2009 11:51

Pitchounette - have you got teenage boys in your household? They are a real eye-opener into male failings...

2kidzandi · 11/12/2009 12:13

Perhaps i'm not getting something. You say that he does help when he can, but as he works outside the home he is unable to help you out as much as you would like?

So is the problem really him or is it that you both work long hours or did you expect him to go straight 50/50 in all the domestic areas even before you were married?

Pitchounette · 11/12/2009 12:26

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Bonsoir · 11/12/2009 12:38

You won't want to blame yourself for the personal hygiene and disorganisational lows of adolescent males...! I swear, when I look at the DSSs and take another a look at DP and can measure the massive progress he has made . And yet...

Litchick · 11/12/2009 12:43

Working from home is a bugger.
When I worked in an office and left the house at the same time as DH, it went without saying that I couldn't collect a parcel, get the car serviced, oversee the builders.

As soon as I started working from home, this province became mine.
Now onbviously I am physically here and so can do some of it...but I do have a job too.

I'm afraid I've reached a sort of balance where I outsource whatever I can, do a small amount myself...and leave the rest.

Undercovasanta · 11/12/2009 13:28

The big problem you've got IMHO is too much work to do, not a terrible DH.
Is there ANY way at all that you can cut back your workload (re your job?) or is it totally non viable?
Your relationship (and probably your health too) is going to be in a terrible state if you are working until late at night every day and all weekend.
I can't even imagine how it is possible to do a ft job from home when you have kids running around.

I was lucky in that I went p/t when we had children. It was a stretch financially, and we have had to stay in our tiny home (which is such a squash for 4) rather than move to a bigger house like most of our friends, but I knew we would never manage with both of us working ft. I just knew we would both end up resentful and jealous, so it was worth the financial pressure for us.

AllarmBells · 11/12/2009 15:38

Ooh Porca me too! Let's keep in touch, there aren't many of us
I work full time, 3 days at home and 2 out.
DP is a SAHD. I drive, while he doesn't.

Naturally I end up doing quite a bit (probably around 60%), ironically however it's him who gets fed up and starts to feel like he's doing more than his share. A few months ago, at his instigation, we sat down to write lists of who should do what when.

What came out of this is that he's very clued up about all the things he does, but anything I does goes right off his radar.
My invisible jobs:

  • Doing the shopping by car (he does some shopping on foot when he takes DD to school, but stuff like drinks, loo roll, washing liquid etc. I get by car once a week or so)
  • Anything to do with paperwork so passports, objecting to planning permission, emptying the book bag for today's charity request etc.
  • Anything to do with phones (ringing family re birthdays, Xmas presents etc),
  • all the washing, drying and putting clothes in drawers (we iron our own stuff as and when needed)
  • all the bills, money management, mortgage etc.
  • everything about holidays - finding accom, flights, booking, transport to airports, packing etc.,
  • fixing/insuring/servicing/road taxing the car (which makes sense as the car is "mine")

All these were left off his list. He just hadn't thought of it, although he knows somewhere in the back of his mind that all this happens.

Some chores fall off both our lists, eg mopping the kitchen floor. I do it every 6 months on my hands and knees (because by then it's in such a state). Guess which one of us occasionally heaves a heavy sigh and says "Look at the floor....ugh." (It still hasn't made it onto DP's list though!)

Feel very happy to see a number of people say they solve this problem by having a messy slightly less than immaculate home. I'm with you there, sisters. My house is messy. I'd rather it wasn't. However, cleaning has to take its place in the priority list with work, playing with DD, time to talk to DP, an hour or so of TV in the evening, personal hygiene etc.

The philosophy/equality aspect is very interesting but so complicated. At the end of the day, there is a lot of crp that needs doing. It's no fun for anyone. Surely it's not naturally* anyone's "job" unless they are either being paid or they get satisfaction from it? By satisfaction I don't mean a domestic martyr.

How we manage, which is reasonably well (we are both quite emotional and we can't have simmering resentments because they always come to a head after a few days) is to keep in mind that we are each doing our share, but we each do different things. The only way to iron out imbalances is to make lists and say "we need to get all this done, let's see how to do it". Ditto the PP who said it's not about him helping you, it's household work that, as equal partners in a household, you have equal shares in. As both of you have FT jobs this should really end up pretty equal. Ditch the resentment, say "look, we have to sort this out", treat it like a practical problem.

A quote from Marilyn French's "The Women's Room" (relates to earlier bit of post - can't remember it exactly but here's the gist:
"I hate discussions of feminism that end with who does the dishes."
"The trouble is, there are always the damned dishes."

ChristmasMoon · 11/12/2009 17:12

Op you could be me except I don't work from home. I do the same job as my DH at the same level on pretty much the same salary and yet these 'invisible' jobs are still all mine it would seem. The thing is before we had children I wouldn't care but now if no-one checks the bookbags, if no-one makes sure the uniform is clean, if no-one does the packed lunches, if no-one sorts out the mufti days, if no-one sorts out the birthday parties and presents etc etc then who suffers? Not DH but DS and that's were we fall into the trap of doing it all, becasue we can't bear for it all to fall apart.

My DHs mother works full time in a stressful job but still thinks it's a womans place to keep the house and reckons she actively looks forward to doing it. How do you fight against that upbringing?

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 11/12/2009 17:23

There are things he can do from work. I presume he has an office with a computer? And ten minutes spare in the day? So he can do the weekly shop online, some of the admin/bills etc. Can you really not afford two hours a week of a cleaner? Someone could do an awful lot to help in two hours and I would have thought you could divert £20 from somewhere else since it's so important.

hahaimawitch · 11/12/2009 18:22

We do have a cleaner - otherwise I really would have a nervous breakdown but as others have said its the nitty gritty of life that has to be done.
Hey hum, off I go to pick up DS then run around like a loon while DH goes out to his office christmas do. (and no I don't begrudge them this, they have had the year from hell)

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foxinsocks · 11/12/2009 18:30

hmm so you have a cleaner and a dh who does things before and after work like putting on washing and the dishwasher etc.?

if I was you, I'd cut the cleaner down and get some childcare in place of the money you spend on the cleaner!

are all your children at school? because 2 days at after school club or council run holiday camp shouldn't be that much more expensive than say one day of the cleaner (unless you have loads of kids!)

chocolaterabbit · 11/12/2009 18:48

I could have written your first post today! I am currently on mat leave but was working full time and having these same issues. DH got round most of it by working incredibly long hours - rarely home before 8pm and leaving at 7.30am so no time to do anything.

It also means by default that I have dealt with the children/ cooked dinner and generally done a bit of washing up etc so there just isn't that much he has to do. I think the main irritation for me is that he assumes as a default that he can work whatever hours he wants and everything will fit round him whereas I need a week's notice and my mum to be free.

ATM I'm trusting in the fact that in 6 months time things will be a bit easier as DS will be bigger and we'll try and go out for an evening or potentially away for a night and try to readjust. Hopefully it will work...

Spectroscopy · 11/12/2009 19:06

YANBU
I agree with Bonsoir and many others though. I know my DH seems totally clueless as to what actually needs doing and how much time it takes.
If he does a little washing up (all his own stuff, incidently - never dried up, just left half dirty on the draining board) he will announce things like 'I do everything around here' .
He has called me 'insane' for washing the kitchen floor at 8 pm (he never does anything past 6 pm as a rule, unless he is working late. Going to the pub/watching TV accepted). Makes me wonder how he thinks that a 5 bed house stays clean and his son is looked after despite his wife having an almost full-time job. Idiot.

SolidGoldpiginablanket · 11/12/2009 19:08

FFS it is UTTER BULLSHIT that women 'understand' domestic work and men 'don't see it.'I am a fully biological woman who has given birth, yet I do pretty much fuck all domestic work. Now I have recently realised that I have a little bit of a problem in that area (compusive hoarding) but I am certainly not going to drive myself insane trying to keep the house to show home standards. Housework is boring, life-eating, shitwork and the whole history of human civilisation has been about designating a class of people as 'naturally' better at the shitwork ie getting someone else to do it. You can reckon a person's social status by how little shitwork they do. don't forget.

Obviously a lot of this stuff has to be done, but there is no reason at all why men can't do it. Remind your H's that men who do THEIR FAIR SHARE get much more and better sex than selfish, sexist lazyarses. That will help a lot.

oranges · 11/12/2009 19:11

cutting down on a cleaner would be madness. and i can't think it would buy enough childcare to be viable.

nickytwotimes · 11/12/2009 19:12

There's a lot of rubbish written about how men don't see what needs done. Utter shite. You are excusing people's laziness. I am a sahm and dh works full time, but still does lots of domestic chores.
And for those of you who say 'oh, you're lucky', I am not lucky. I just wouldn't settle for someone who didn't respect me enough to share OUR workload.

Stop excusing men. You do them and yourself a great disservice.

foxinsocks · 11/12/2009 19:13

why? that's what seems to be winding her up the most (the fact that she's doing everything to do with the children and working full time too)

we both work full time and don't have a cleaner. Perfectly manageable. But both working full time with no childcare help. Utter madness.

Seabright · 11/12/2009 19:14

Could you move money around a bit (I know it's tight) and move the kids around a bit & get an Au Pair?

You'd need to free up a bed room, but if you get a good one they'd be cheap & keen

Bonsoir · 11/12/2009 20:00

"My DHs mother works full time in a stressful job but still thinks it's a womans place to keep the house and reckons she actively looks forward to doing it. How do you fight against that upbringing?"

Interesting. I have come across this attitude among older "career women" - women who are now of retirement age, who did well as doctors, headmistresses etc but who didn't expect or even wish for any domestic contribution from their husbands. As you say, it is an appalling role model for sons (and I know a few shockers in adulthood).

starkadder · 11/12/2009 20:13

Agree with foxinsocks. Both full time & no childcare = disaster. No cleaner = messy house. If you (either of you) can't cut down your working hours, you have to get childcare. Something has to give.

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