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to expect and apology from my friend's husband?

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duke748 · 06/12/2009 18:10

Please do help me out if you can.

Last night at a social do I had an argument with my very dear friend's husband.

It sounds stupid but basically at the end of the meal (about 15 people) someone was working out who owed what on the bill and he said something along the lines of 'why don't we all just pay for what we ate' and I said (I admit somewhat exasperated) 'that is what is happening, that is what she is working out'. He then told me 'button it you', waving his finger in my face and shouting.

For a second I thought about letting it go, but then I said in a low voice 'don't talk to me like that' and then he starting getting his face in my face, waving his finger more and a long rant, ending in 'shut the F up'. I then said, in a louder voice 'do not speak to me like that' again and walked away.

Now for a bit of background, he is my friend's husband and I love her dearly. I find him a bit aggressive and hate him talking down to her all the time, calling her 'larda*se', 'dumb' etc. I see this all the time. He also shouts and screams in her face about the fact that she slept with (in his words) loads of men before they started dating, calling her a 'slag' etc. I have not seen this, but she has told me about it many times. I find this horrible, but then on the flip side, she calls him names too, and they have a very fiery relationship. A lot of the arguments happen after they have both been drinking. We were all drinking last night, he probably had about 4 or 5 and I'd had 2. So I was definitely not drunk, and he didn't appear to be.

To be fair to him, she has never told me that he has hit her, but he most definitely is aggressive in his manner, which I have seen many times, directed at her. I have had to bite my lip when I have seen it happen.

I know that he will be making her life difficult all day today. Probably calling me all sorts of names. And she will just want it sorted for the sake of an easy life.

I have said that if he apologises I will accept it and apologise too (even though I know I did nothing wrong, but for the sake of making her life easier).

However a mutual friend is pressurising me to forget all about it without an apology and put it down to a 'misunderstanding.' To me, if he had said something thoughtless or that could be read one way or another then I probably would, but being told to 'shut the f up' is a pretty difficult thing to misunderstand.

I still love my friend and have told her that it doesn't affect how I feel about her and our friendship. Of course in reality it does, we go to each other's houses once a week or so. And I know he will pressurise her not to see me and say that I am not welcome in his house, as he is quite controlling.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable is asking for an apology before we 'make up'. I think its a case of meeting half way, with him making the first move. What do you think? Should I just 'forget it' and forget about asking for an apology. for the sake of an easy life for my friend?

For a bit of information, I was abused by my father and when her husband was waving a finger in my face and shouting it snapped me straight back to that and it was terrifying. That is why the relatively tempered response, because that it what I was taught to say to people who were doing things that were not acceptable. Does this fact mean that I am over-reacting?

Please do help me, I am torn between holding on to my values and making him realise that is not acceptable to be that aggressive to somebody and trying to make my friend's life easier as I love her?

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buchenoelpoppy34 · 06/12/2009 18:18

Don't say sorry- he was in the wrong. Is there any way you can
carry on seeing each other at yours/neutral ground? An as for owing him an apology, why? Even if you were exasperated his reaction was disproportionate .

Fwiw I would have been far less restrained than you if someone had acted like that to me.

piratecat · 06/12/2009 18:25

you showed him up and he didn't like it so went on the attack.

but to be honest, i would just ignore him from now on and forget about him. concentrate on how you feel you and your friend's relationship will continue.

Brunettelady · 06/12/2009 18:25

Ho sounds like a horrible horrible man. I wouldn't back down and he probably didn't like the fact that you 'dared' to stand up to him. I think you controlled yourself very well and showed that you have dignity.

Wagging your finger in someones face and telling them to "shut the fuck up" are very good reasons to want an apology and I wouldn't be willing to let it go. Is there anyway you can just meet at your house instead of going to your friends if this situation drags on?

It sounds as if he really can't handle alcohol at all.

DandyLioness · 06/12/2009 18:32

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 18:38

Sorry, but that would be the end of my seeing her in anyplace other than my home or neutral ground.

I'd never be in any place where he was at all.

He's lucky it wasn't me there, because I'd have been on the phone to the police about his threatening me and believe you me, he'd have gone home in a meat wagon and I'd have pressed charges on him.

He's abusive and you're better off without him in your life at all and if that means not seeing the friend again, oh well.

skidoodle · 06/12/2009 18:46

I agree with expat

Well done btw, you handled yourself admirably.

His behaviour is unbelievably out of order.

It's amazing how selfish people can be in wanting other people to put up with being treated badly just so they can continue to have their nice social scene continue as they like it.

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 18:50

Exactly, ski.

I mean, seriously, how embarrassing for him to behave like that in public!

Why on EArth would you want to socialise at all or be in the same room with someone who is such a chav?

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 18:50

Also, who wants to hang round with people who get so violent when they drink?

Sounds like they need to be going to AA meetings and not boozy dinners.

diddl · 06/12/2009 18:52

But are you sure that someone was working out individual bills & not dividing it up equally?

That aside,I would have been hard pushed not to have poured a drink over him!

No one has ever spoken to me like that & I really don´t know how I would react!

I don´t think he will apologise.

I´d avoid him as much a poss tbh!

PerArduaAdSolInvictus · 06/12/2009 18:53

"For a bit of information, I was abused by my father and when her husband was waving a finger in my face and shouting it snapped me straight back to that and it was terrifying. That is why the relatively tempered response, because that it what I was taught to say to people who were doing things that were not acceptable."

Have you told your friend this, in these words? Because you describe him as controlling and aggressive, and I'm wondering if you want your friend to see this too? Explaining why it got to you so much in this way might give her a fresh view on his behaviour, without you actually accusing of him of abuse? And gives her a get-out as well if she doesn't want to face things - she can say to herself 'well duke's sensitive because of her Dad'

Does that make sense?

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 18:54

'But are you sure that someone was working out individual bills & not dividing it up equally?'

Who cares? What a reaction on his part! Imagine associating with someone who gets drunk and behaves like a total ned like that.

Honestly, I'd have pressed charges on him for behaving in a threatening manner and putting me in a state of fear and alarm, which are btw real charges in Scotland.

FabIsVeryHappy · 06/12/2009 18:55

I think the fact you were abused is irrelevant tbh as this other man has behaved appallingly. If you apologise you are giving in to a bully.

sparklefrog · 06/12/2009 18:57

I have a feeling that should you apologise, it wont actually change much, since your friends DP has now realised you will and do stand up for yourself, and I get the feeling he is not used to this, nor does he like it.

FWIW I would agree with expat.

duke748 · 06/12/2009 19:57

Thanks so much for your replies.

I would never want to lose my friendship with her, as not only do we get on really well, but also I feel that she may need my help at some point to either stand up to him or leave him. And I don't want to abandon her.

Oh, and yes we were definately working out individual bills, my friend was doing the maths and I was running around the table working out what everyone had eaten/drank.

I would never allow my DP to talk to any of my friends like that. But I don't blame her as he controls her.

She has sent me texts today begging me to 'forget it' as she is feeling really ill. All I have done is texted her telling her I still love her and she has nothing to apologise for, but I won't accept

being spoken to like that by her DH. I also asked her to come round so we can talk face to face. She hasn't. Am pretty sure he has been bending her ear all day and it makes me very sad.

I should be able to engineer to get us together at work tomorrow, so hopefully it can be sorted out between us then.

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duke748 · 06/12/2009 20:02

Sorry - forgot to reply to PerArduaAdSolInvictus's post....

I haven't gone into detail about my father, just said he is an evil man and I have not seen him for 15 years.

We have only contacted by text today, not really the kind of thing I can bring up in that medium. However, we we speak face to face I might mention it. Probably for the 'get out' clause for her, as you said.

But I think that is pretty much irrelevant, as he shouldn't speak to anyone like that. But if it helps her out....

It just makes me mad the idea od him going on at her all day, making her feel ill, presurising her to presurise me.

Grrrrrr.....

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:02

Sorry, duke, but he sounds dangerous.

If I were your partner, I would NOT be comfortable with you being anywhere near this ghetto thug at all again.

Ever.

duke748 · 06/12/2009 20:09

My DP wasn't there unfortunately. And do you know what? If he wasn't her DH would never have spoken to me like that. He wouldn't dare. It was because I had no man there to 'defend' me that he thought he could get away with it.

Which makes it even more dispicable in my eyes.

And if someone had spoken to his DW (my friend) like that he would be round in a flash threatening all sorts.

My man will do whatever I ask to support me, but I don't really think agression to combat agression is a good thing. Although it would be quite fun for me! ha ha!

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PerArduaAdSolInvictus · 06/12/2009 20:16

Yes he sounds dangerous. But maybe - hopefully - the friend doesn't want this to be her life. And maybe duke can be around for her - let her know there's a better life out there?

Do you know where to find your local Womens Aid? They could let you have some leaflets for your workplace - it was Domestic Violence Awareness Week last week, so would be easy to explain why they were there, and it might give your friend a chance to see that his behaviour's unacceptable and disrespectful?

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:18

Oh, heavens no! I'd never want my husband to go to jail over a thug like that.

Neds like him aren't worth spit on the pavement.

But I certainly wouldn't expect an apology out of a cretin like that.

So it goes to follow I'd simply tell the friend, 'Sorry, but after last night if we can meet on neutral ground or my home then fine but I never want to see your ghetto chav of a husband again. Because only low-lives behave like that at all, much less in public.'

I mean, you should even have to tell her that.

Ew.

I feel sorry for you. How embarrassing!

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:19

If she hasn't left him by now, it's not likely she will.

And I'd be afraid of getting further involved because if he comes to believe you are driving a wedge he could become violent and unhinged.

duke748 · 06/12/2009 20:28

I definately think not getting involved in other people's marriages is the best way forward and that is exactly what I intend to keep doing.

Its when its against me that I pipe up.

We are due to get ready for a girls night at her house on Friday (along with about 4 others) so I will keep to that engagement. I will simply walk in and say hi and then go up to the bedroom like normal and get ready as per usual.

I think if I refuse to go (and get ready at mine for example and meet them there) they will think I am being petty and making things awkward. And then I am the bad guy! Grr grr!

Would love to do the Women's Aid thing, but she would know and it would be seen as intefering. Ultimately she has to be the one to decide when enough is enough. And if she does come to that decision I will be here for her. And even if she doesn't I will be here for her. Just got to go back to biting my toungue.

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traceybath · 06/12/2009 20:35

What expat says.

And as an aside - expat I've missed your posts. Hope all is well in your life.

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:51

'I think if I refuse to go (and get ready at mine for example and meet them there) they will think I am being petty and making things awkward. And then I am the bad guy! Grr grr!'

Seriously? Is that honestly what your friends would think? Because mine would be appalled. Mine would have phoned the police themselves if I hadn't.

Don't you think you deserve friends who a) don't have partners or husbands who behave like this to their friends b) if they did would step in and pull him off c) would never consider just 'letting it go'?

That just sounds like a parallel universe to me, it does.

I wouldn't feel comfortable drinking with people whom I knew lost the rag like that on booze.

That's a problem drinker in my book.

I'd get a new set of friends.

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:51

thanks, tracey!

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 20:53

I'm glad you're not my daughter, because if I found out some bloke had done her like that you can better believe it would be the last time he did.

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