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to expect and apology from my friend's husband?

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duke748 · 06/12/2009 18:10

Please do help me out if you can.

Last night at a social do I had an argument with my very dear friend's husband.

It sounds stupid but basically at the end of the meal (about 15 people) someone was working out who owed what on the bill and he said something along the lines of 'why don't we all just pay for what we ate' and I said (I admit somewhat exasperated) 'that is what is happening, that is what she is working out'. He then told me 'button it you', waving his finger in my face and shouting.

For a second I thought about letting it go, but then I said in a low voice 'don't talk to me like that' and then he starting getting his face in my face, waving his finger more and a long rant, ending in 'shut the F up'. I then said, in a louder voice 'do not speak to me like that' again and walked away.

Now for a bit of background, he is my friend's husband and I love her dearly. I find him a bit aggressive and hate him talking down to her all the time, calling her 'larda*se', 'dumb' etc. I see this all the time. He also shouts and screams in her face about the fact that she slept with (in his words) loads of men before they started dating, calling her a 'slag' etc. I have not seen this, but she has told me about it many times. I find this horrible, but then on the flip side, she calls him names too, and they have a very fiery relationship. A lot of the arguments happen after they have both been drinking. We were all drinking last night, he probably had about 4 or 5 and I'd had 2. So I was definitely not drunk, and he didn't appear to be.

To be fair to him, she has never told me that he has hit her, but he most definitely is aggressive in his manner, which I have seen many times, directed at her. I have had to bite my lip when I have seen it happen.

I know that he will be making her life difficult all day today. Probably calling me all sorts of names. And she will just want it sorted for the sake of an easy life.

I have said that if he apologises I will accept it and apologise too (even though I know I did nothing wrong, but for the sake of making her life easier).

However a mutual friend is pressurising me to forget all about it without an apology and put it down to a 'misunderstanding.' To me, if he had said something thoughtless or that could be read one way or another then I probably would, but being told to 'shut the f up' is a pretty difficult thing to misunderstand.

I still love my friend and have told her that it doesn't affect how I feel about her and our friendship. Of course in reality it does, we go to each other's houses once a week or so. And I know he will pressurise her not to see me and say that I am not welcome in his house, as he is quite controlling.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable is asking for an apology before we 'make up'. I think its a case of meeting half way, with him making the first move. What do you think? Should I just 'forget it' and forget about asking for an apology. for the sake of an easy life for my friend?

For a bit of information, I was abused by my father and when her husband was waving a finger in my face and shouting it snapped me straight back to that and it was terrifying. That is why the relatively tempered response, because that it what I was taught to say to people who were doing things that were not acceptable. Does this fact mean that I am over-reacting?

Please do help me, I am torn between holding on to my values and making him realise that is not acceptable to be that aggressive to somebody and trying to make my friend's life easier as I love her?

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corriefan · 06/12/2009 20:54

If I were you i'd do what you're planning on and just be civil, it's a good reason to not have to make chit chat with someone who's a dick. But don't apologise or keep asking for an apology- it would be your friend who got hurt more than anyone.

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 21:01

how sad that people have such a permissive attitude towards abuse.

it's a dealbreaker for me.

duke748 · 06/12/2009 21:09

I have a couple of different 'sets' of friends and these are some of my work friends. They are quite young (I am 31 and they are 25ish) so I kind of excuse their behaviour on their age. The whole wanting to keep the peace at any cost thing.

I know I put up with crap from boys when I was younger that I never would now - but thankfully I didn't marry any of them!

The thing is his side of the story will be very different. I know what was said, as I wasn't drunk, but his side will be that I was having a go at him and shouted at him and he shouted back, or some such. Or that I took offense when he was only joking or whatever. Its very hard for someone to disbelieve someone when they only married 6 months ago. With me a bridesmaid - ha ha!

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thesecondcoming · 06/12/2009 21:11

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duke748 · 06/12/2009 22:05

Shock horror! I just got a text from him with a kind of apology....

'I can hear [his wife/my friend] on phone to [other friend] and she is really upset. I have never seen her like this. I am sorry if you got upset last night. Please can we move on as I can't bear to see her this upset, she is literally being ill with all the worry.'

I replied 'OK. I accept that. No hard feelings. We can both forget about it. Tell [friend] I love her and to get in contact when she can, as it sprobably easier to talk face to face rather than via text.'

Once again I feel guilt tripped and as if I am the one causing trouble.

All I have texted her today is 'you don't need to apologise to me. You haven't done anything wrong. He needs to say sorry though as I won't accept someone shouting in my face. Ever. After he says sorry I can forget about it, for your sake. I will always love you and be your friend no matter what. Pop round and we can tlak face to face instead of via text. xx'.

Now why would that cause her to be ill with worry? Its HIM bitching and moaning all day that has made her ill with worry. GRRRR.

But will have to keep to my word and 'accept' the apology, for her sake only.

So, hopefully, a 'happy ending'. I have a feleing he won't be so rude to me again, as to if he alters his behaviour towards her.... we will see.

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PerArduaAdSolInvictus · 06/12/2009 22:40

duke - i'm glad you've got contact with her back - you're a good friend :-)

Expat - i can see where you're coming from, but i wouldn't myself want to cut off someone who may be suffering abuse, as that's such an alienating thing in itself.

expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 23:01

'expat, i do think the police have better things to do than deal with someone being told to 'shut the fuck up' don't make a fucking drama out a crisis...'

so getting up in someone's face pushing them is a 'fucking drama'? when the OP remembered being abused by her dad and it terrified her?

whatever you say . . .

thesecondcoming · 06/12/2009 23:06

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 23:08

she asked opinions, i gave mine, thesecond. you didn't agree. hey ho.

but now you're getting aggro so you know, i'm just going to leave it because, well, it's not worth it.

lindsaygii · 06/12/2009 23:12

The thing with bullies is to show them you are not afraid. Then they are scared of you - because if they weren't pathetic, cowardly, little shits, they wouldn't be bullies in the first place.

If it was me I wouldn't press for an apology (which you won't get, and puts him back in the 'winning' position he loves so much).

I would go round there, bold as brass and just as usual, and when he showed his face I would take the piss, in some quiet way, with a 'oh I see you've calmed yourself down, dear' kind of a way.

Make it so that you win. It's confrontational - yes - but it's the only language he'll understand. And if you're really lucky, your friend might learn something from your example. Although I wouldn't bet on it.

thesecondcoming · 06/12/2009 23:22

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 23:29

'you were wrong,he didn't lay a hand on her and so were reacting to a different situation,it's no biggie to be wrong occasionally.
you don't need to go on the offensive with me and you must now admit that calling the police and the other things you suggested are an ott reaction to being told to 'shut the fuck up' don't you?'

Um, no, I'm not wrong. Getting in someone's face is pushing to me. Same thing. The person tries to back away. Behaving in a threatening manner and putting someone in a state of fear and alarm is actually a charge in Scotland at least.

And nope, don't admit to being OTT because that's what I'd have done. Be it right there or the next day.

But keep going.

Not interested.

Think it's chav behaviour and acceptance of people acting like this when they're drunk is a lot of what is dreadfully wrong in the UK. I think that's sad as hell.

Going to bed.

Georgimama · 06/12/2009 23:34

Putting someone in fear and alarm of personal attack is assault. But that's by the by. He has (sort of) apologised and for friend's sake I would say no more and try to avoid social activities in which he is involved.

thesecondcoming · 06/12/2009 23:36

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 23:47

'Putting someone in fear and alarm of personal attack is assault.'

It is up here.

What's incorrect is to do it in the first place.

(Stayed up because Carol Duffy is on STV and she's reading her poetry! FAB!)

But again, keep going, thesecondcoming.

At least I know, I'd definitely not meet up for dinner with you.

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expatinscotland · 06/12/2009 23:55

'Some random person on the net on a site where people post anonymously is a big fan of yours.'

'Oh, yeah? Shut the fuck up.'

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Onestonetogo · 07/12/2009 00:26

YANBU at all and please do not alienate your friend. With a husband like that, she needs your friendship!

expatinscotland · 07/12/2009 08:58

that last post was supposed to be a joke.

never mind.

expatinscotland · 07/12/2009 09:05

and for all that's being OTT, a man in this area recently got 100 hours community service for 'placing the occupants of a dwelling in a state of fear and alarm'.

like any ned, he got drunk and started going ghetto in the kitchen; being all shouty and sweary.

so the gal called the police.

who didn't think she was being OTT, but lifted the guy.

because getting drunk and behaving in a threatening matter towards a woman is not the mark of a man, but a thug.

the other week, someone had a house party and people started being all shouty and sweary in the corridor.

someone called the police, who didn'tthink they were being OTT, but lifted the drunk losers who can't seem to enjoy alcohol responsibly.

the pattern here: act like a thug after being on the sauce, go to jail where thugs go.

simples.

how sad that people somehow think it's okay or something to let go when people go ghetto after drinking.

like that's some sort of excuse for showing your true colours.

GetOrfMoiLand · 07/12/2009 09:20

I agree with everything that expat has said on this thread. (hijack - haven't seen you for ages Expat, hope you got your flat sorted out in the end )

OP - you are certainly not overreacting in being pissed off with that horrible bloke - what he did was intimidating to the extreme and as you said, he wouldn't have behaved like that if your husband was there. Which makes him the lowest kind of pathetic bully in my eyes.

I know that this is after the event now, however there is no way I would have responded to his guilt trip making text. All that nonsense about your friend being ill with the worry - he is not at all concerned about your friend, he is probably worried that you're going to tell your DH. Like all bullies, he is a coward.

I would certainly reiterate to your friend that you will not ever be in the same room as him again, and all social events with him are off the table. Sod your other friends wanting to conserve your social group - they are not the ones who were (a) had an aggressive bloke in their face and (b) have a load of hideous memories to content with. Your happiness and comfort is a lot more important that theirs.

Don't put up with this klind of abusive behaviour because you feel sorry for your friend.

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