to think that getting ur ? month old babys ears pierced is awful !

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i was in town yesterday in claires accessories and was appauled to see a mother sitting with her baby on her lap about to get the babys ears pierced !! it was visible the baby coulld not quite sit up by herself so im guessing she was around 6-7 month.
i moved away to the top of te shop and heard a high pitched scream... poor baby !!!
the mother needless to say was a bit of a "chav" and dripping in gold herself,
my 2 girls are 1 and 2 and i wouldnt dream of getting their ears pierced for a good more few year yet !
i think this is awfu that shops allow this sort of thing, aibu to think this !

GibbonInARibbon, i agree, it is very unreasonable to pierce a babies ears, maybe i shouldnt have highlighted boden in my post, but the point i was trying to make was what some people find ok some do not.

I have had many comments about my ds's hair,some nice, some saying i should get it cut.Of course a hairstyle is completely different to piercing holes into babies ears,i am not condoning that at all.

I was just trying to make a point, thats all.

re circumcision "as well as medical it is also performed for religious or cultural reasons therefore it is not cruel ! !"

This is clearly nonsense. Just because something is done for religious or cultural reasons does not mean it is automatically not cruel. For instance in some places very young girls are married off to old men as a normal cultural practice. Doesn't mean it's not cruel

Culture is not a reason to put holes in your child. I think an age limit of 13 would be appropriate.

DoingTheBestICan - ignore me, I have morning sickness and am a tad tetchy. I should avoid AIBU when I feel like this. I did find it a touch gratuitous though

When I worked in a Pharmacy they had a strict policy of no ear piercing of children under 6 years of age.

You couldn't make illegal for the same reason Imsonottelling has just outlined. Some people do it for cultural reasons.

My 5yo got her ears pierced when she was 3. I don't really give a flying fuck whether people think I am chavvy or not, tbh. And I doubt the mum in Claires did either.

She probably saw you looking and thought you were a nosy, miserable old bitch. Which is how you are putting yourself accross on here.

Piercing a young baby's ears, while not ideal does not automatically make some one a 'chav' or 'that sort'. She could have been doing it for any number of reasons, inc, cultural reasons.

I dont really like seeing earings in young children and i do think it a bit cruel when a child is too young to make decision themselves. But, each to their own. what is a BODEN hairstyle?am intrigued .

Gibbon - my sympathies re the morning sickness, again i apologise if i came across like a twat,i never meant to.

Frazzled - its just a slightly longer hairstyle,look at the boy models in the boden catalogue.

With that i am stepping away before i dig myself any further into that nice big hole of mine...

I think YABU. My dd chose to have hers done when she was 6ish, she could have had them done at birth as she was born in the ME where these things are done. Boys get a circ, girls get their ears pierced. We chose not to have it done but wouldn't dream of condeming those who do.

However you put it ladies, it looks vile on young children, and it did hurt your child. The only reason anyone does it to a very small child is to please themselves, ewww how selfish.

And it does look rough.

YANBU its like saying the baby isn't beautiful enough and needs some kind of cosmetic enhancement, you don't put make up on a baby, so why put a piece of metal through each ear and deliberately cause pain to your baby for no good reason?

It's certainly not for the babys is it?

sorry, baby not babys

Hmm..
Personally I don't like the idea of a baby's ears being pierced. In this country it is not done for cultural reasons, therefore I think there should be an age limit.
One of the mums on my pn thread lives in South America, and there a baby girl's ears are pierced before they're even discharged from hospital after birth!!
I disagree with the op on the 'chav' association as well.
Lady in a salon told me a while back about a mum who asked her to fake tan her baby.

"circumcision is completey different
as well as medical it is also performed for religious or cultural reasons therefore it is not cruel ! !"

So you think female genital mutilation in sub-saharan Africa isn't cruel then ? That's performed for cultural reasons.
As is the rape of tiny babies by men with HIV because some african religions preach that the HIV virus can be killed by having sex with a virgin
Or that it's acceptable for women to have sand put in their vaginas to make the experience for their men as much like having sex with a virgin as possible. That's another cultural norm in some african countries

Have I suceeded in demolishing your argument yet ?

Actually you could argue that it was cultural because it is the done thing in that Mum's social circle. Who decides which cultural practices are accepted and which are not? What defines culture?

I wouldn't do it and strangely enough had a bizarre pregnancy dream last night that I had the baby and the midwife took it away gave it a bottle of formula and pierced it's ears. I was freaking out!

I'm not really ashamed of judging others actions to be honest....some people do really silly or cruel things and I think I should be able to point this out.

Piercing a baby is needless and hurts and so shouldn't be done. I'm not a fan of circumcision either...horrible to mutilate your little boy. I am Jewish by descent and have not seen anything that suggests the existence of God so doing cruel things in Gods name just doesn't cut it with me.

I think having a child's ears pierced before they have asked for it is awful IMO.

We all make judgements on people based on their actions whether its ears piercing or the way someone is dressed, its silly to pretend otherwise.

Its human nature to make judgements, its not right or wrong just the way things are. If I saw a mum getting her baby daughters ears pierced then I would think that mother was a bit chavvy to be honest and I think alot of people would think the same they just dont like to admit it!

Filibou, I think you are straying off into a territory not covered by the initial AIBU question. While I agree with everything you posted it is not adding the initial question.

YABU... its very acceptable, in fact almost mandatory in my culture to have a baby's ears pierced within a year of birth (both boys and girls). She was making a decision on behalf of the child. Its none of your business.

You don't leave the decisions like whether to send children to school or put them in day care until they are old enough to decide do you? People make decisions about their children according to their values and culture, and you're being a snob about it.

Incidentally my 2 year old DDs ears are pierced, as are mine and mum's and the rest of the women in our family. We are not 'chavvy', as you so eloquently put it.

Gosh, we havent had a topic like this for about what, three months???

I think its very easy to tell who is getting it done as a cultural thing and who is getting it done as a fashion thing.....

LeQueen, I love your last post.

Rolled gold or goed, as they say in Bristol, is a sign that the baby (either sex) may have their ears pierced. It is a class thing, except for the Asian and Mediterranean population where, still cruel, you don't have to be rough.