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to think many parents who send their children to the lower quality independent schools are so pretentious it is cringeworthy?

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Barrelofloves · 06/11/2009 21:33

Is it due to insecurity? Because I have found the seriously loaded/titled folk are not like that at all.

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MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 21:30

Morosky, when some suggests it would be better to teach my fragile (physically and emotionally) nine year old to box, rather than move him to an extremely loving and supportive school which has an outstanding ofsted for personal development of the pupils (which happens to be private) so that he can manage secondary in a state school, is going beyond what is acceptable in any civilised society.

Teach boys to beat the shit out of each other is better than to teach them to be confident in themselves? Lovely.

selectivememory · 13/11/2009 22:05

But Margaret Thatcher was a grocer's daughter, possibly also with a regional accent (aghast emoticon).

Judy1234 · 13/11/2009 22:10

I still think objectively on that issue that if you take a child from the state sector and put them in a lovely private school for 2 years and say all this could be yours if we had the money, tantalise him and please him and then whip it all away 2 years later when he returns to the state sector for the tough early years of secondary school for many chidlren that isn't the right thing to do. Instead they should be bonding with their state school peers and moving to a secondary where they are already part of a group, same accent, same likes and dislikes etc. But I don't know your son. The 2 years in the private system might instead make him feel sufficiently confident in himself he can cope with being moved back into the state system. It isn't very easy for some children to move from one sector to another.

Judy1234 · 13/11/2009 22:17

To sm, I don't think I've ever suggested I was particularly clever. It would be awful on line if everyone agreed with everyone else - it would be like a group of sycophantic mothers in a play ground doing that dreadful female thing of smarmily saying of course you look good in [ the dress which makes her look fat or whatever]. People should be free to express their views. I haven't actually ever said state school children shouldn't get good jobs. I have said that good private schools confer advantages and that that is fair and right in a capitalist society. Nothing to stop any other mumsnetter even those as thick as I am from doing what I did. I went to a school where very few people went to university and I've never had any family money or health. Anyone could do what I do but far too many people limit themselves simply by limitations they place on themselves or simply because they are happy earning £15k a year or whatever. Nor do I think I've ever said what I do.

thedollyridesout · 13/11/2009 22:18

Xenia - did you and your ExH share the same philosophy on education?

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 22:25

oh Xenia, don't be such a twit! Honesty! If you imagine that every private school in London is bastion of privilege!

Most are not. Ds' school is a lovely school, with lovely teachers, a lovely philosophy of education, a marvellous, inspired head teacher who also owns the school.

The children he mixes with are exactly the same as the ones he mixed with at state primarly, media parents, legal parents, arty parents... and the scummy kids he still mixes with out of school because they are his lovely friends.

Jeeez!

drosophila · 13/11/2009 22:28

research suggests that beautiful people are more successful www.independent.co.uk/news/science/beautiful-people-earn-12-more-than-ugly-bettys-461261.html

That's it off to beauty school for my kids.

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 22:32

psml laughing at beautiful folk. Ds is okay then, as he is spectacular genetic mixture of Scandinavian/Irish/South East Asia...

And a bit of a looker, by all accounts!

and when I said scummy I mean "scummy". Nice normal little kids from a less than privileged background.

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 22:37

But the problem is Xenia , you seem to look down at folk who earn 30k or 40K, and that is most teachers and doctors and middle management...you do need to rethink that attitude.

It's a decent wage for a job well done. You can't possibly despise them for doing those jobs. Even from the most self-interested motives, who the hell would have taught your children otherwise?

drosophila · 13/11/2009 22:40

Madame looks like it is far more important that you choose a handsome Dad. Guess I have been lucky there too

selectivememory · 13/11/2009 22:41

Ha ha drosophila.

Luckily for me mine are both beautiful and clever, even though state school educated (drops down the pecking line).

However, people don't limit themselves, they are often limited by parental income, ie, not being able to access the best schools, be they state or private.

Conversely, those blessed with access to top private schools are hugely advantaged in their life's choices, this is where I agree with Xenia.

HOWEVER, intelligence doesn't come into that equation. Only money. Money = top education and opportunities.

Keeping it simple, so everyone understands.

As we all know, money doesn't buy class, neither does it buy intelligence. But it does buy disproportionate opportunities.

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 22:47

Ah yes, Drosophilia, Happily exp is excessively good looking We shan't go into his failings in other areas here!

In fact it is a bit mortifiying that at nearly 40, most people think he is about 25, and the manny....

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 22:56

In fact its a bit Richard and Judy round our parenting way...if you can imagine Latino gorgeousness plonked next to lovey Enlgish Rose of a certain age...( that'll teach me to have a baby with a stunner considerably younger than me! OOh! I can feel a Piers Morgan interview in the offing)

Jajas · 13/11/2009 23:06

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baffledmum · 13/11/2009 23:10

Everyone does what they think is best for their kids. Why knock someone for that?

Morosky · 13/11/2009 23:12

Selective that is very kind of you to say, I just don't like it when we get personal. Over the six or so years I have been on here I have been victim of some very personal and quite cruel personal attacks on here and guess that just colours my view when I see others being personal.

All bets are not off in AIBU, it does actually say that at the top.

Being slightly left of Michael Foot I very rarely agree with Xenia especially as I married into a family who spouted her views and was very greatful to escape. I am very very proud to teach in an excellent state school so I am often riled by Xenia but try not to be personal about it.

Jajas · 13/11/2009 23:13

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MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 23:13

Oh, to be fair, Xenia was only referring to herself as thick there...

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 23:14

Indeed Jajas, and people cry troll is thoughtlessly!

MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 23:17

well said Morosky. I am afraid I am not so principled; when someone consigns my child to the dustbin of society,even on MN, it becomes personal.

Jajas · 13/11/2009 23:21

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MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 23:25

Sorry Jajas, that was full of mordant irony that post....sorry if it didn't come across...

Jajas · 13/11/2009 23:28

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MadameDefarge · 13/11/2009 23:31

check out my profile for my bizarrely Nordic child...he is very Norwegian..

Barrelofloves · 13/11/2009 23:59

I have been reading this but not adding much Jajas because it has taken on a different angle than the one I had intended.

I was not really (in my mind)putting emphasis on the education aspect of poor quality indies because at the end of the day, if that's what people want to pay for....(crumbling roof, shoddy unqualified staff, poor OFSTED), then it really is up to them.

It's the embarrassing shallow pretentiousness which comes out of these types of schools which is my big issue (or may be it is just here!)

I am well spoken and so are my dc and they attend state schools, they are very smartly turned out, do well at sports, play musical instruments etc and we have a very warm and nurturing environment at home.

I went on to study at Cambridge despite having a father who thought books were untidy and I was not allowed any. The only way I could read was at night, in the moonlight as I was not allowed a bedside lamp.

Like I said before, I had far better and interesting conversations at University with multicultural students than with some of the appallingly narrow minded and intellectually uninspiring 'loftier than thou by virtue of my public school upbringing' types that live in this rural backwater.

It's the crass one upmanship, and a constant tension within the 'mwah mwah' culture to be seen at the right places and with the right people. Like I said before, this does not seem to exist amongst those who have nothing to prove, ie those who go to the better public schools or the seriously loaded/titled.

Perhaps it does not exist elsewhere but as a well spoken state educated/Cambridge grad with successful career with neatly dressed, equine obsessed, state educated dc the utter pretensiousness we come across regularly is just cringeworthy to the extreme. In this day and age it is embarrassing.

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