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to be angry and think this man is taking the piss?

62 replies

Vallhala · 24/10/2009 22:21

Sorry, long post but I am fuming!

Since Weds evening I've been caring for DD1s pal having found out that she was alone while mum is on holiday and that she was unhappy (and hungry). Parents are divorced, care is shared and dad lives in the same town as his DD and her mum and also my family and I. Dad says he can't care for her as he "has" to work night shifts. The full story is on AIBU, "to think it wrong for 14 yo to be left alone for a week...".

As I had taken into my home a child I barely know, whose parents I have never met, and who neither knew where she was nor had given either she or I permission to have her stay, I thought it wise, after much thought and advice here, to email school to let them know what I had done, to cover my own ass. I did this in the early hours of Thurs morning and having got dads number from Jane called him as soon as it was a decent hour that morning. School naturally called him and warned that they would be taking advice from SS.

So, this is where I am at now, tell me, is he now taking the piss?

First the fecker rings me today to announce that he is angry that I contacted school re his child being alone, did I realise what this could do to him and his job, what a caring and dedicated father he is, blah blah.

Explained to him that I did so to cover my ass as I had a strangers kid in the house overnight, the parents didn't know where she was/had been and had given her no permission to be there, which put me in a vulnerable position regardless that I was doing a kindness.

No apology, just more whinging about his position. Drumming my fingers by this point wondering if, since hes so concerned, he'd like to take his daughter back as he's only downn the road... or at least accept that if he and his ex hadn't left their kid alone this would never have happened in the first place and me having her here is probably the only thing stopping him from being charged for neglect. This is left unsaid by me and clearly doesn't occur to him.

Then the toss-pot tells me that her mum has come home TODAY instead of returning tomorrow as had always been said.

Yeah, right.

And I'm Stevie Wonder.

So where the feck is mum then... why is she not contacting her child, even if not me, why is said child not back with her own mum and not with this lone mum of 2, who is knackered, sleeping on the sofa cos visiting kid has her room and dealing with her own 'difficult' 12 year old and in all honesty views ANY house guest, even this nice girl, as she does haddock.... all right for a couple of days but by the third it is becoming undesirable and the fourth simply nauseating?

Cos if the mothers here in this town you're both taking the piss mate!

And if she's not then you're a lying git!

Come to that, regardless of where the MOTHER is, YOU are responsible for this child, not me, so you're definately taking the piss mate! You aren't ill, you aren't 100 miles away, you merely prefer to work and leave your DD with a stranger.

He said that Jane KNEW THAT her mum was back... I later mentioned it to Jane, who said "Is she?"

Thats as much as I got out of her... I didn't press the matter.

Although I didn't point out the obvious flaws in matey's "mum's back today" story to him when he phoned maybe I should have, it may have lowered my stress levels a bit to call him a pathetic twat who is full of bull.

Dads only redeeming factor was to accept that my call to school was a pure "child is here, this is why, I don't know parents and they don't yet know shes here so I'm telling YOU as professionals to cover my ass".

He knows he and his ex are potentially in the mire for leaving his child unattended, he lives just down the road, mum is allegedly back home or if thats not true will be back tomorrow... yet he no word from mum and Jane is expected by dad to remain here til Monday night or if not Tuesday. Shes a lovely kid but I need just to get on with dealing with my own kids and family life. I have a docs appoinment on Monday (having missed an important hospital appointment yesterday because of having his child here) and am generally knackered and don't think its too much to expect one or other parent to care for their own child and not rely excessively on this total stranger to them.

AIBU to think that he is now taking the piss?

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6feetundertheGroundhogs · 25/10/2009 22:36

Jane's Mum has been back since FRIDAY??

FRIDAY???

At what point exactly did it occur to her that someone was missing at home?

Friday night?
Saturday morning, no, saturday evening, no Sunday!

Ah yes that's it I'd wait 2 entire days before wondering where my DD was after leaving her on her own while I fecked off on a holiday...

Jeez I'd be sorely tempted to ask Jane to hold off going home for an hour and pop round there myself and ask the 'mother' to give me one reason, any reason for me NOT to call SS.

Poor, poor kid.

Vallhala · 25/10/2009 22:48

Dueling - Jane arrived at mine on Weds eve after I'd learnt that she was alone and without food, unhappy, had taken "four tablets one after the other" as DD1 (14) put it, and that mum was away.

After much thought on Weds night/Thurs morning silly hours I emailed school to tell them that Jane was with me staying overnight as mum was away and jane was unsettled alone.

BTW I learnt only tonight that just prior to taking her in Jane had been on the phone to mum from her home (on hol in Spain) and had been angry and smashing things up.... she is NOT a naturally angry kid, very placid.

When I emailed school I said that I would get dads number from Jane when the kids woke and call him asap. By 8.15am school called me and advised off the record that I really SHOULD call dad as I'd said, for my own protection.

So I did. As you see, I felt it right to take Jane in and then realised that I should let SOMEONE in authority know I had a strangers child in my home overnight without their knowledge or consent, which is why I emailed school in the early hours. Even after I had spoken to dad he was unwilling to take back his DD and non-commital as to when she would go back to either parents home.

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pigletmania · 25/10/2009 22:49

God what a pair of imbeciles, these train wrecks are what bring the country down, they do not deserve to be parents . What ungrateful so and sos, i would have taken Jane back to her mums as soon as i knew she was at home. Well done you

Vallhala · 25/10/2009 22:55

6feet - I can only imagine that as Janes dad knew mum was already back on Saturday when he and I spoke for a second time (to bollock me for telling the school I had her and putting him under scrutiny!), he had by then told Jane's mum where Jane was.

I feel like throwing the fecking book at them at present!

A friend's DH retired from the Police 5 years ago, where he was an Inspector. His advice, belatedly as I'd emailed and spoken to school by then, was to go straight to the Police.

Wish I had tbh.

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pigletmania · 25/10/2009 22:58

Has Jane gone back to her parents now Vallhala, if not you can still go to the police

pigletmania · 25/10/2009 22:59

If she has cant you still inform SS as she was neglectful and the father was to for that matter.

Vallhala · 25/10/2009 23:11

Jane is still here tonight - her mum called her on her mobile at about 9.15pm and bollocked her for not being at home, as I said. As I understand it from my DD1 (14), mum wants Jane to go home to her tomorrow and is angry that Jane is here - not here cos I am a stranger but that she did not stay alone at home!

Jane took the call in the sitting room - I was there but it was noisy and I didn't overhear, being on another sofa to Jane, I could however hear the mothers angry tone, even from where I was sitting about 8 feet away.

Oh yeah... and according to DD1, Jane has a 15 yo brother (this I know she has) who lives alone in the town where mum and dad both work and where mum has another house, about half hours drive from where each of the parents live!

If this is remotely true I'd imagine that the lad is, as far as school etc are told, living with mum insofar as he lives in the second house she owns and which she stays in when she can't be arsed to return back to her house here in this town. Again, according to DD1, who says this is what Jane tells her, mum works nights in the town where the 2nd house is and often leaves Jane home alone if she can't be bothered to drive back to Jane. Seems possible mum has 2 kids in 2 houses in 2 towns and splits time between the 2, each time leaving one kid alone to be with the other.

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pigletmania · 25/10/2009 23:13

Why dont you inform ss or the police i would its neglect.

pigletmania · 25/10/2009 23:14

if the 'mother' is so concerned why does she not come and pick her daughrer up then!

SolidGhoulBrass · 25/10/2009 23:19

WHile I salute Valhalla for her kindness and think that poor Jane's parents must be completely nuts, I am a bit depressed by the number of posters who seem to think that the male lodger must automatically be a slavering rapist with absolutely no impulse control. You don't even know if the lodger's heterosexual!

3littlefrogs · 25/10/2009 23:20

Please, please tell the school about the lodger.

A childhood friend of mine was raped by the "lodger" when she was babysitting her younger siblings and her mum had gone out with one of her boyfriends. The mum was much more interested in her social life than in the welfare of her kids.

Vallhala · 25/10/2009 23:21

Piglet said:

"if the 'mother' is so concerned why does she not come and pick her daughrer up then!"

And I don't have a bloody clue why not Piglet!

As I said in my other thread, school tell me that they have the matter "in hand", I believe that they have contacted SS and they added that they have "other concerns" so SS are now aware of the situation.

It IS neglect as far as I am concerned and I will call SS tomorrow to explain all I know/have done/dad has said to me etc as SS are already involved.

I really feel the need to be SEEN to be being honest and communicative with them but fear repercussions from the parents (who are clearly not the nice type) for me, and worse my own DDs at the same time.

Dad made sure he mentioned his martial arts experience when he called me yesterday - I didn't take it as a warning then, but now I am starting to worry.

Ah! tell me I'm just being paranoid!

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Vallhala · 25/10/2009 23:24

Solid, I know that not all men are potential rapists but I don't know if the 26 yo lodger who came onto 14 yo Jane and tried to kiss her is the same one who is living with Jane and her mum at present.

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SolidGhoulBrass · 25/10/2009 23:29

Fair enough, Vallhala: I wouldn't consider a 20s-ish male a great 'parental replacement' for a 14-year-old girl either, but less on the grounds of him being a potential rapist, more that his 'caretaking' would be a matter of going 'you'll be OK won't you, I'm going to the pub...'
That poor kid.

Vallhala · 25/10/2009 23:36

But Solid, the lodger wasn't even asked to keep an eye on Jane - not that I think he should have been or that she should have been left alone in the first place!

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YeahBut · 26/10/2009 07:51

Have been following both your threads, Valhalla with increasing sadness for Jane. Poor girl and poor you for being put in this position.
Her parents aren't going to say it but I will - thank you for all you are doing for Jane. You've kept her safe and put her needs ahead of your own when her parents wont. You're a good person.

echt · 26/10/2009 08:04

Vallhala - that stuff about the martial arts; it IS a warning.
he's an arse, and a potentially dangerous one.

You were so right to contact the school, and I can't believe the number of posters who seemed to view it as dobbing them in. They need to think of the kids who end up dead, when the newspapers whine: "Why didn't someone tell the school/SS?".

You're a good woman.

sdr · 26/10/2009 08:08

You've done the right thing - I have similar age DD's and would be horrified if one was left in the same situation as your DD's friend. Think the comments from the school say it all and you may well have given them what they need to intervene further to help this poor girl.

Also you've given your DC's a fantastic lesson in helping others and not just sitting back and passing comment.

6feetundertheGroundhogs · 26/10/2009 10:19

Again, hats off to you Vallhala...

Agree with echt, the Martial Arts thing IS def a veiled threat...

What horrid horrid people, there is a 15yo on his own too? Someone else said that they don't deserve to have kids. My GOD..

stuffitllllama · 26/10/2009 10:24

echo bof's

and with very large knobs on

you are a good hearted soul to be doing this

you did the right thing by contacting the school btw -- no question about this AT ALL

OmicronPersei8yourbrain · 26/10/2009 10:49

Contact SS - they wont know what's happening now otherwise. It sounds like so much more than being left alone while mum is on holiday and dad is working. Poor girl.

Snorbs · 26/10/2009 11:12

I agree - contact SS and just give them an update. They need as much info as possible to make a decision over what (if anything) to do about this.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 26/10/2009 11:45

Blimey, so it's not just Jane, it's Jane's brother too. What an odd set up. I wouldn't even dream of leaving my dd alone for an hour let alone a week -mind you she is only 8. I think SS should be involved in this. These charachters are clearly unfit for the purpose of parenting.

Twinsmommy · 26/10/2009 12:29

Have just read these threads.

If you notify the Police now of the situation and the conversation with the father and the "martial arts" reference, and that you are nervous of the outcome, at least they would have a record of it in case this whole sorry situation turns more ugly.

I have to commend you, Valhalla, for such a selfless act of kindness towards this girl. What a wonderful, upstanding member of the community you are.

citronella · 26/10/2009 12:53

Good grief what planet are these people from?
YA so not BU!
If I were you I would put everything down in writing in a letter to the school, the SS and the local police. You have been put in a very difficult position and the parents should be (but clearly are not) ashamed of themselves!

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