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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to be upset by this old man?

36 replies

whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 19:47

I didn't really want my first post, after months of lurking, to be an AIBU, but this has really bothered me. I was on the bus home with my children this afternoon (out of necessity, by the way - I'd been somewhere that's 5 miles from home, and has no parking, so walking or driving were out of the questiion), and my son had been sitting down, when an elderly lady got on, who clearly needed the seat. So I asked him to come and stand by my buggy (which is really stable, and has good brakes, therefore safer to hold onto than nothing, or a hand, which was all that was available) and hold onto it. Which he did. At which point an elderly man sitting behind me proceeded to have a massive go at me for not holding his hand, told me I shouldn't be allowing him to walk around the bus (he only walked from the seat to the buggy so an old lady could sit, ffs), told me he'd get hurt and mess up everyone's journey, that I wasn't capable of looking after him, should go 'back to school to learn how to look after my children' and was a bad mother. I probably shouldn't have responded to him in the first place (to tell him to back off and that it was none of his business, and that my son was holding on and I was hardly likely to let him hurt himself) and granted, I probably shouldn't have called him a horrible old man, or, eventually shouted LOOK, JUST BUTT OUT PLEASE (hell, at least I said please) but AIBU to be upset? I mean, IMPE, holding someone's hand on the bus is actually not very safe, and tends to create human dominoes if the bus moves off suddenly. It's surely better to be holding on to something that's unlikely to move. Oh, and nobody else(none of the adults, anyway - my 4yo turned round and said 'oh shut up you horrid man' - which I probably shouldn't be proud of him for, but I am) bothered to tell him to leave me alone. They waited until he'd got OFF the bus to make sure I was ok - I wasn't - I'd had a shitty day, have bad PMT, had a migraine coming, and was trying my hardest to keep everything together and not lose my essential last-minute shopping (toilet roll), purse, keys or children, and therefore ended up in floods of tears, feeling like a total twat. My husband thinks I overreacted. So, did I? Am I endangering the bus journeys of many and the life of my children by insisting my son (who, at 4, is 3ft 8 and 2 stone, and perfectly capable pf sending me flying) holds onto static objects and gets up for old ladies? Should I have fallen down and thanked him for his considered, politely delivered parenting advice? In short, AIBU? Well, am I?

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whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 20:42

Ugh. Why do people think they have a right to interfere like that? Especially since they probably would never do it when it was actually needed. I could guarantee that if I looked a bit rough, and my kids were swearing, and I was methodically twatting them around the head with a crack pipe, he would have said absolutely NOTHING.

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whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 20:47

Oh and also, it's old men on a bus, not the parents of a child, who are appropriately qualified to gauge whether said child could hold on if the bus driver started suddenly. Because if a doddery old man can't grip hard enough, a 4yo who can MOVE MY SOFAS (something I do NOT encourage, by the way) couldn't POSSIBLY manage. Because of course I've NO idea what my own kid is physically capable of, and I've NEVER got the bus with him to that particular (weekly) group before...
I think I'm ranting. Sorry...

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abra1d · 08/10/2009 20:47

The only thing I can say in consolation is that some old people literally do 'lose' the parts of their brains dealing with inhibition and reason. He may not have been all there. Really.

Probably dementia or pre-dementia.

I've had similarly bizarre encounters with old people that have really upset me.

Just pour yourself a stiff drink. Or have a bubble bath. You sound like a nice person. Don't let the old bugger get you down.

whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 20:55

abra1d, thanks. I shan't (let him get me down, that is). I think I possibly would have just ignored him if I hadn't been feeling so shit anyway (hell I live in London, it's what we do. Never engage the nutter on the bus. Pretend to be deaf, pretend to be on the phone, read the Sport someone left on the seat if you have to...). Would prefer not to encounter him again though...
I hope for his sake that it isn't dementia.
Have already had the bubble bath. Stiff drink probably out of the question. Head still bloody killing me, and no painkillers in the house apart from baby ibuprofen. Which I am most definitely NOT taking....

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bethylou · 08/10/2009 20:56

In order to try and lighten your mood after a horrible day, just thought I would share my experience the last time I ventured onto public transport (have been put off ever since):

I was sitting on a bus when an elderly lady got on and asked for a ticket to ... When we got to that stop she didn't stand up. The driver remembered that someone had asked for the stop, pulled the bus over and asked if anyone wanted that stop. The lady carried on looking out of the window. I thought she was a bit deaf, so being the friendly soul that I am, said, "Excuse me, I think this is your stop."

Elderly lady turned into angry woman who spat at me, shouted at me to mind my f -ing business and was clearly trying to pay for less of the journey than she was really intending to take!

As a very inexperienced public transport user, I had only intended to be helpful! Note to self: mind one's own in future...

She continued muttering at me so I got off the bus at the next stop and walked the rest of my (paid for) journey as one lot of spit was enough for one day!

whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 21:03

Oh aren't people lovely...
On my way TO the group I was at today, someone got on with a kid in a buggy, parked buggy next to mine, and took kid out. A few stops later (on a bus that comes 3 times an hour), another lady with a buggy was waiting. Her baby was asleep, so when the driver told her to fold her buggy up, she couldn't. I quickly asked the other woman if she'd fold hers (since it was empty, and had NO bags on it), and she refused. Was about to tell driver I'd fold mine (despite it actually containing a child, and being festooned with many many bags and a rather large travel potty), but he drove off. Poor woman would have had to stand in the cold, on a fairly lonely street, for 20 minutes. I love people on buses...
That said, last time I went, I had to get out of the wheelchair space for a wheelchair, and when I tried to fold my buggy down, hold onto an excitable toddler and not lose bags, packed lunch etc, the lovely old ladies in the set of 4 seats nearby all sat sideways and made me go in between their seats. So I guess it isn't all bad...

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KimiTheThreadSlayingAxeKiller · 08/10/2009 21:13

YANBU I would have been a lot less polite then you were and told him to feck off

Squishabelle · 08/10/2009 21:17

YANBU. I have had three very nasty encounters with old men; ALL of them in Sainsburys!

whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 21:19

I very nearly did! Surprised I didn't, tbh. DS, though, after the lovely man got off the bus, did remark dismissively 'What an old git' in his piercing little voice. And there I was, trying to teach him respect for his elders

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IsItMeOr · 08/10/2009 21:27

YANBU. DH agrees you were understandably upset and is very impressed you didn't swear.

Touching how your little DS stuck up for you, really. Loving the talk to the hand image, and oh how their little voices do carry . Good for him and you. Given that he can move sofas, old git is lucky that you have taught him it's wrong to hit people .

whydobirdssuddenlyappear · 08/10/2009 21:36

IsItMe - who says I have?

Squishabelle poor you. It does feel very isolating when some random stranger decides that you're fair game for them to vent their spleen at.

I really still can't see what his problem was. My kids were even being QUIET, ffs. Ah well. Another day, another twat eh? Only thing I can do is attempt to bring my kids up to realise that you just don't treat people like that.

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