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AIBU?

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to want to park my car outside someone else's house all day for free?

186 replies

ferndalee · 05/10/2009 17:44

Really annoyed as council has decided to implement a residents parking zone round all the streets near our station. Apparently residents have complained about commuters parking in 'their' street all day for free instead of using the station car park. But the station car park is quite expensive and you have to get there really in the morning to guarantee a parking space.

I really don't understand why residents are annoyed people like me park outside their house during the day? It's not as if we're parked in their front garden or causing a nuisance. I understand that residents probably get annoyed that they might not be able to park their own cars because of commuters but shouldn't they have thought of this before they bough their house? Its a bit like people who live near schools complaining about people parking in their roads for the school pick-up.

The language the council has used in their leaflets is inflammatory as well, they talk about commuters 'dumping their cars for free all day' in these residential streets. This is rubbish as the highways agency own the road not the residents! They have no right to complain!

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ThingOne · 05/10/2009 18:40

As far as I recall from my days in local government, local authorities can only introduce residents' parking zones if a majority of the residents in the streets concerned vote for it.

It's not just about parking, it's about reducing congestion and improving the local environment.

StewieGriffinsMom · 05/10/2009 18:41

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pagwatch · 05/10/2009 18:44

My friend used to smear dog shit on the handles of shoppers who parked outside her house all day.

I have had people pull on to my drive to park and had to call the police . I shut the gates once and the driver went nutty. It was quite funny - he went puce coloured.

We live opposite a school and i had to go in and talk to the head about people trying to park on my drive for the school drop and parking across my drive. Not sure which was the most annoying.

But problem has pretty much stopped now. I have a big dog and he shits a lot.

People really do have astonishingly high levels of entitlement these days

StillSquiffy · 05/10/2009 18:46

Gosh. what an interesting first post

Run along now, deary, and try doing some decent journalism for a change.

boundarybabe · 05/10/2009 18:52

YABU. DH commutes and one of the reasons we bought our house where we did is because it's right next to the station. And we deliberately chose a station slightly further down the line where property is cheaper - DH has a slightly longer commute but no drive at the end.

Why do some drivers think it's their God-given right to park whereever they please and to hell with anyone else? Whatever happened to good old fashioned courtesy and thinking of others?

boundarybabe · 05/10/2009 18:53

Pagwatch - re: shutting the gates - I applaud you!!

sarah293 · 05/10/2009 18:59

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 05/10/2009 19:02

Frankly ferndalee your attitude stinks. You are really quite selfish and rude. Living somewhere usually entails parking your car there. Why the fuck should people have to drive round and round for flipping ages trying to get home because you don't wish to pay for parking?

Free parking is a bonus. There is free parking near my current flat and it's near a train station but not a central one so I don't resent people parking and commuting. But my last flat was near a central station and we lobbied the council for months to get residents' parking - yes we DO have more right to park near our houses than commuters, and the fact that we were willing to pay for it demonstrates that.

You have obviously never been hard up as well if you assume everyone living near stations bought their houses. I chose my last two flats based on affordability.

ADragonIs4LifeNotJustHalloween · 05/10/2009 19:06

Welcome to Mumsnet, ferndalee.

sarah293 · 05/10/2009 19:07

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Jux · 05/10/2009 19:16

My mum lived round the corner from the station and had off-street parking, luckily, as she was nearing 80 at the time and simply wouldn't have been able to get to the shops if she had had to park on the road.

Her street was always completely full of commuter cars, but was also on some route for Waitrose deliveries. The number of times I have seen lorries stuck due to badly parked cars at the corners - and no, not locals' cars.

I'm sure you don't dump litter on the street where you park, but I can assure that many commuters take the opportunity the clean out their in the road where they don't live. I have been abused and threatened for complaining as I saw someone actually doing that. I had to walk round the block before I went into my mum's house, so the creep wouldn't think I lived there and try something (as he'd threatened).

Council Tax can be higher if you live near a station because of the convenience. If you want to park free near a station, go and live near one.

cleaningsucks · 05/10/2009 19:17

op - get a life

starwhores · 05/10/2009 19:20

I get very pissed off at the number of people who park outside my house especially when I want to hoover and clean out my car! Coming home from shopping with a sleeping baby and lively toddler (when the boys are at school) is really shit having to walk 20 metres up the road and negotiate bringing food shopping in too.

EdgarAllenPoo · 05/10/2009 19:24

everyone who drives pays in a multitude of ways. the justification for parking charges is a strategic one - ie that they think that particular piece of parking should be used e.g. by short-stay shoppers rather than workers, or by residents rather than shoppers, or not used at all...and work out the parking tariffs accordingly.

as someone has already said, councils have been introducing schemes outside the traditional town-centre areas and moving them out into the suburbs.

i would find it highly inconvenient to live in a residents paking area - where do guests park? how long before i get a permit? how much do i have to pay ? -

if the form of polling residents was a local meeting, that could be a very polarised form of consultation - ie only those very peed off would go and vote. i thought many council just introduced them as part of a more general plan - as in some areas what happened was they made people pay on a daily basis to use meter parking outside their own homes - i can't believe any resident voted for that!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/10/2009 19:24

Booing,

re your comment:-

"If you parked outside my house all day every day you might come back to see one or more of your tyres let down".

I sincerely hope you don't really mean that - this action is a criminal offence. Public roads are just that; you do not "own" the space outside your house on a public road.

ferdalee,

Some residents do get fed up with seeing the same car parked outside their house every day regardless. But for people to actually damage the vehicle in any way is not acceptable, let alone legal.

I'll tell you what its like in this part of Essex east commuterville.

The particular station that I am thinking of in has many commuters coming into it - its also popular because its has two fast lines going into London and the service therefore is generally good.

Commuter car parking is confined there to two car parks; both of which have had more than their fair share of break ins over the years due to both poor overall security (there is none) and crap cctv cameras.

The annual cost of parking in one of these car parks (and one is more desireable than the other due to its closer proximity to the station, it also has less speed humps) is close on £1000 per annum.

They also have a good wheeze which is called Premium Parking so you can have your very own numbered space - cost of which is nearly £1200 a year. That was brought in to both this station and others because other commuters who arrived "later" were not able to get parked in the closer distance car park but had instead to use the one further away (the poor lambs). The car park co saw a goldmine and leapt on it.
These charges are also increased every year. Until recently as well the surface of both car parks was full of holes and poorly maintained. The white lines designating each space had faded away into nothing.

You can park in these car parks for the day; cost £5 before 10am, £3.50 afterwards. There is no longer free parking in these car parks (years ago there was free parking in the station car parks on bank holidays and weekends). Bus service overall is not good and is expensive to boot, no wonder people drive.

If I lived near a station I would rent out my garage or concrete hardstanding for a reasonable sum (and undercut the annual cost of the station car park) and park my car on the street.

Think the residents of such zones need to think carefully because having such schemes implimented (I do understand their frustrations why these are put into force) because they can well replace one problem with yet another. You need to be careful what you wish for. There is no one solution that will make everyone happy.

Residents have car parking permits which has to be paid for yearly and per car but the scheme has been further extended over the years to cover the distance of a mile from the high street in each direction. The town has become in effect a no parking zone. It has dramatically decreased high street trade as there is only two small council run car parks (cost per hour to park there 80p). Who will pay that when you can go to Tescos and shop for free?. People vote with their feet. Even my local town centre (not exactly known for its forward thinking) offers free parking in its town centre on the weekends. Result - a town full of shoppers spending money, money which the businesses badly need to keep going.

There is no forward planning either; once Crossrail starts to be constructed one of the station car parks will be commandered permanently!. No replacement car park is planned (there is no land available besides which they can't build on greenbelt).

Jux · 05/10/2009 19:25

And if mum had an early appointment with the doctor then she couldn't park when she got back and would have to walk, sometimes from as much as 3 streets away, to get home. Not good for an old lady who can't breathe cold air.

She got a new neighbour who was home all day too and they would watch each other's space (off-road, so private) to ensure that no one nabbed it while the other was out.

Blu · 05/10/2009 19:28

I lived in the only road not in a CPZ in our area when the Congestion Charge was introduced. Parking space was always at a premium because council employees in the nearby offices would park there all day. But thewn the CC was introduced, suddenly commuters from Surry started parking on our road and walking to the tube. And builders vans would wait there while about 15 builders parked their car there and they all piled into one van to go into central london.

What this means, fernadee, is that if you take your car out to take your toddler to the doctor, when you return there is nowhere WITHIN A MILE OF YOUR HOUSE. It means that when you go to do a big shop in Sainsbury's WITH YOUR DISABLED CHILD IN TOW that when you get back you have to park half a mile from your house and make 3 separate trips to unload shopping, with disabled child in tow.

We lobbied the council for a CPZ sharpish. The first time it was scuppered because the selfish and corrupt council workers who parked there rigged the consultation vote. This was discovered by astute residents, and a second consultation took place, resoundingly in favour of paying £60 more per year just to be able to park within half a mile of our houses.

I expect the residents you resent so badly had to out up with similiar hassle.

Too many cars, we're all to blame, we're all at fault, shrug and find a way round it.

FantasticMissFox · 05/10/2009 19:31

YABU- I get people parking outside my house and getting their fold up bikes out and cycling the rest of the way to work (I live less than 2miles from city centre) Do you know how annoying it is to come home from a 9/10 hour day and not be able to park outside your own home? GGGRRRRR!! (sorry this is my pet hate)

The way I see it is if they can cycle from my house then they can cycle from their own bloody houses!! Is there not another way you can get to the staion??

Blu · 05/10/2009 19:32

Starwhores - you really get upset about walking 20m up the road?

LOL, you don't live in London, do you?

BloodshotEyeballs · 05/10/2009 19:32

I'm not even going to read all the replies because you've pissed me off too much. Pay up for a car park or walk your lazy arse to the station. My parents live in a road near the station. They have no off street parking and if my dad dares to go to the supermarket early to beat the rush, or has an early hospital appointment then he cannot park in his entire road till you lazy buggers come back at 6 and 7pm. Their neighbour is nearly 90, was born in the house, lived there before the station was built and he had to give up driving some years ago because he couldn't angle his car into and out of his drive to park because people like you had parked over the edge of his driveway.

Why the hell should you get away with inconveniencing the people who live in those houses just because you're too tight arsed to pay for a car park?

Cluckyagain · 05/10/2009 19:35

trip trap

BloodshotEyeballs · 05/10/2009 19:38

You're probably right Clucky, no one could be that much of an arsehole but it gave me a chance to have a rant about it

Cluckyagain · 05/10/2009 19:41

lol!

MrsGhoulofGhostbourne · 05/10/2009 19:43

YANBU - people are ridiculously obsessed with parking outside their house - it is a public street and they should have chosen a gated enclave if they wanted exclusivity. People park outside my house and - so what, sometimes I have to walk - ooh, several yards - big deal!

EdgarAllenPoo · 05/10/2009 19:43

. It has dramatically decreased high street trade as there is only two small council run car parks (cost per hour to park there 80p). Who will pay that when you can go to Tescos and shop for free?.

well said. I have all but stopped shopping in Brighton since they made the 2-hour bays into expensive meter parking. that wasn't something that benefitted anyone except the council receivng the income and issuing the fines.

all the people here who are taking out their own personal grievance on the op -be a bit more rational please. There may be good reasons for the parking restriction in your area. but not in every case. You don't know what exact area the OP is in.