To want to bring back the dealth penalty?

[hugmeandcatchthelurgi]

Another child pornography case in the news, why cant we bring back the death penalty?

Im a firm believer in peadophiles cant be rehabilitated, why send them to jail? i think the dealth penalty is more appropriate for peadophiles and child abusers

AIBU?

This last case in plymouth really upsets me, so maybe i am more hormonal than normal!

[OrmIrian]

OK OP you clearly have no moral problem with the idea of killing people, but can you not see how there is always a risk of killing someone who is in fact innocent? Or do you not beleive in miscarriages of justice? Is that perhaps a price not worth paying?

[hugmeandcatchthelurgi]

Theres also alot of speculation about prisioners developing mental health issues in prison and the mis diagnosis of mental disorders.

So on conviction they arent ill.

Im my view theres a big differnce to someone whos ill on conviction and someone whos not.

[PeachyTentativelyPosting]

acknowledging bias of source it still makes horrid reading

I was raped as a teen (16) BTW so I do have some insight- but it would have been ten times worse to know the man responsible had facedsuch a thing, I believe wholeheartedly that would have been more of a sentence than the attack itself.

[Maggie34Behave]

I agree, loss of liberty and shame would be a huge punishment to the vast majority of the population, but there is a sector who are 'cool' with it.

We all gravitate to people like us and I believe that there is a type who is more comfortable inside.

I am NOT in favour of turning a blind eye to bullying and violence. I think that they should have more prison officers to make sure that there is less bullying and violence. And if that means the prisoners don't get to read the latest John Grisham and watch DVDs then that wouldn't bother me.

I really doubt that Irish prisons are cushier than UK prisions, and this Joe O'Reilly character I mentioned earlier is in for murder and he has some kind of blog running.

[hugmeandcatchthelurgi]

OrmIrian ive already said maybe I was BU with wanting the dealth penalty.

I believe that miscarriages of justice are rare today, and that wouldnt put me off. But Im a harsh cow.

[sherby]

Loss of liberty is really really not a big deal to some people.

I know and have spoke at lenght with a man who has served two prison sentances. In his own words, his life was shit on the outside. He LIKED being inside, he liked his friends and the routine and knowing he could get his drugs. HE LIKED IT. He didn't give two hoots about 'loss of liberty'

He was inside of stabbing somebody by the way, 4 times in the face, because he sent a text message to his girlfriend

[BLEEPyouYOUbleepingBLEEP]

That's the thing isn't it Morris, they always get let out with that violence still in them. There's not very many who are in there for life, can't remember where I read it, but only 5% of paedophiles don't reoffend so I can't see how they can even contemplate letting people who look so ordinary, but have such deviant behaviour, back living next door to us.

If this is the case, I can totally see why some people would want to terminate that existance for the sake of the rest of us and our little ones, even though it's wrong.

[MorrisZapp]

It's true that to a small minority of people, prison looks quite attractive ie it provides security, predictability etc.

Those people have absolutely nothing to lose, and so would not be deterred by the death penalty anyway. They are people who act first and think later.

I must admit I find it almost amusing to think of a crazed knife attacker thinking to himself 'how long will I get in prison for this attack' before deciding to go for it. These are people with a pathological inability to link actions with consequences anyway.

In some ways, prison picks up the 'dregs' for want of a better word, that would have been in workhouses in the bad old days.

I'm a liberal but I admit that the truth is, these people will always exist.

[mosschops30]

Would be far better for people like this for the public to deal with them.
Just let them walk out of court today and see how far they got!
Waste of money and time keeping these things locked up

[Morloth]

Only if you can guarantee 100% that no innocent person would be executed. You can't undo it, that one innocent person's life is worth staying your hand against the guilty I think.

However, having said that if someone did this to my kid? I knew who it was? There were certainly guilty? Then I would arrange it myself. Am aware that would be a crime in itself and that is fine. But my family looks after its own.

[Mermaidspam]

I'd do it! Kill 2 birds with 1 stone - get rid of the perverts and let me at 'em with a hammer to relieve some stress!

(Joking, of course)

[annon1]

bring it back, I'd rather my tax pennies went to trials and retrials and in the end granted the death penalty, than these sickos be left indefinatly in a cosy prison, where believe me i know they get a cushty ride.
these people can not be rehabilitated, and probably realise that they are safer on the inside.
last week there was a thread on here about brutally killing a dog if it was going to scar a child for life, well i m o this is just the same only mental scars are far more damaging than physical ones.
slate me if you like but this im my opinion, and at the end of the day i've still got my civil rights to voice my views!

[BLEEPyouYOUbleepingBLEEP]

I don't recon anyone should slate you annon cos what these people have done make most people want to hurt them as much as they've hurt those little babies. There's not much worse than the fear you would feel knowing the time of your own death approaching.

But justice shouldn't be shaped by that basic rage we feel at how these people chose to behave.

[annon1]

but should justice reflect the crime, for example a life for a life?, and isn't that what hese people have taken their childhood life?

[PeachyTentativelyPosting]

It is possible to recover from rape and abuse, and I would rather mopney was pumped into that than fending off endless American style appeals and trials.

Annon- if your child was wrongly convicted at say, 27 of a crime such as Paedophilia would you still be so happy for the death penalty to exist? becuase wrongfulcnvictions do happen, and it really could be any child of anyone here.

[stillfrazzled]

I believe that a civilised society does not condone judicial murder under any circumstances.

And even if you don't agree with that, I think this article makes the best possible argument against the death penalty.

[BLEEPyouYOUbleepingBLEEP]

Annon, I don't think this personally, but to a judge they haven't taken a life, bad as it is, could this be compared to the children who took Jamie Bulgers life in such a violent way, or those two lads who tortured and nearly killed the other two lads not long ago? I don't know.

[dizietsma]

YABVVVVVU

a) Killing is wrong.

b) The justice system is not perfect, so a good percentage of the innocent will get executed by mistake.

c) Killing is wrong.

d) Since when did paedophiles get executed even in countries with the death penalty, anyway?

e) Killing is wrong.

f) Why lower society and the state to the level of a murderer?

g) Killing is wrong.

h) We have not been able to rehabilitate paedophiles yet, someday we may be able to and you never know when that day will come.

i) Killing is wrong.

j) Death penalty has never been an effective deterrent for crime, look at the USA.

k) Killing is wrong.

l) Burdening victims with guilt for the executions of their predators is an awful thing to do. It would also probably stop a lot of victims coming forth to report their abusers who, after all, are statistically most likely to be family members and family friends, "Daddy says they'll kill him if I tell anyone." Then imagine if they really did kill daddy when she told someone...

m) Killing is wrong.

Don't misunderstand me, I get where you're coming from. I recently read up about the Dutroux case and was filled with blood lust and righteous anger. Giving in to those feelings is a mistake though.

I'm proud to live in a country civilised enough to have abolished the death penalty.

[Hulababy]

Sex offenders are not segregated at all prisons. I know this for sure. And yesm sex offenders - especially ones linked to peadophilia - do get a hard time inside. Female offenders even more so.

And IME prison is not an easy ride. From the outside they can appear so. But you only have to talk to some of the offenders on a one to one basis and for most they are not a fun place where they want to be, especially in high cat prisons. Lower cat establishments are a bit different, such as open priisons - but then they ahve a different purpose.

I do have experience of working inside prisons, rather than just visiting them, and I do believe that prison isn't particularly plessant.

[pjmama]

We don't need to execute them. Just never EVER let them back out of prison to do it again.

That's what's wrong with the current system, putting them back on the streets. Personally, I care more about protecting our children from these evil monsters than how they're treated in prison.

[donnie]

Sally Clark

Stefan kiszco

both jailed for murder in the Uk and both released in recent years because of the fact that their convictions were unsafe. In other words they were innocent.

There are lots more. Just the other week a man was identified as the rapist and murderer of a woman who was killed in the early 80s - I can't recall the names. An innocent man was jailed for life for this crime and just released a couple of weeks/months ago.

I rest my case but FWIW anyone who thinks that the death penalty is a good thing IMO indicates some level of barbarity.

Oh and all that red-top hysteria about prisoners living a life of luxury etc - you think?

[hugmeandcatchthelurgi]

But when CAT A prisioners say prison is an easy ride, what does that say?

[InMyLittleHead]

So you think the legal system always works 100% perfectly at all times, then? Well it doesn't. Miscarriages of justice aren't that rare, and those are only the ones we know about. The phrase is 'beyond reasonable doubt' not '100% guilty'. No one will ever really know whether or not someone committed the crime they are accused of, except in unusual circumstances.

Besides which the death penalty is not a deterrent in any case and has no place in a civilised society. It's a very simple-minded solution.

[annon1]

its a fact that prisons are over crowded, this is because people, offenders are not afraid of it anymore. it is the soft options, because eventhough their libities are taken away their human rights are not.
yes i agree that it is wrong to kill, hence i would never do it. that is not stopping X round the corner from killing an innocent person, or in this case taking a childs innocence away from them.
the death penalty may no be a deterrant, but i would feel a hell of a lot better with these pervs dead.
if my dc was to commit any of these crimes then yes my view would be the same.
and that goes for if anyone was to do this to any of my dc then I would want them dead, and I would stop until that is what they got.

[Northernlurker]

The death penalty for child abusers? Oooh what a lovely society that would make us.

The death penalty is an act of terrible barbarism practiced by the state on it's citizens. It diminishes every person that allows it to continue, causes untold misery for relatives, prison and legal staff and yes prisoners and does fuck all to reduce crime.

Prison is an easy ride? Ok - can I shut you up in a small building with hundreds of other people who don't want to be there. In an environment where drug abuse, violence and mental distress in rife. You can't see your family when you want to. If they live along way away you may not see them at all. If you are ill you will be taken to hospital and treated - whilst handcuffed to an officer. If you are pregnant you will need to take your baby to a mother and baby unit and then either fight tooth and nail to keep them with you for the rest of your sentence or send them out to friends and family. If you have neither your baby will be fostered. YOu can never go out when you feel like it, never iniate activity that isn't part of the prison timetable and for the rest of your life your prison sentence will be hanging round your neck like a noose. Sure, easy ride