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to be so peeved that we spend approx £1400 a month on childcare

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couture1 · 17/09/2009 16:44

I know I have to pay for the service but it leaves me with little left over each month and we need to salaries to get by. I dont want to give up work as 1 cant afford to and 2 Im hoping that when 3dc are at school in 3 years time we will be better off each month - but how do we manage until then?

Rant rant rant

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sarah293 · 19/09/2009 18:10

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BonsoirAnna · 19/09/2009 18:13

I thought Quattro's post was typical of someone who throws insults at people she is actually deeply envious of

AnnieLobeseder · 19/09/2009 18:13

That may be true kitty but you've come on here saying some inexcusable things about working parents, and since your clients are working parents, you are being derogatory about them. If you were my CM and I found out you felt that way about me I'd drop you like a hot potato. You may be good at your job, and helpful to your clients, but you've made it clear you have little other than contempt for their choices.

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kittycatty · 19/09/2009 18:20

Annie as a childminder i was a working parent!!!

I just think young children should be at home this does not mean i hate working parents! It is my opinion and that is why we are here!

ssd · 19/09/2009 18:27

kitty, I hear what you are saying

I too was a childminder and gave up due to the utter lack of respect from the parents, their kids were usually lovely, but unfortunately the parents soon tried treating the childminder like the hired help, paying you late, arriving too early in the morning and then arriving half an hour late at night. They often forgot that you too were a working parent and self employed too, not just there to work around their lives. And too often this selfishness rubbed off the wrong way on their kids, who were too used to coming second in the parents priorities.

I don't know if you have been on MN for long, but you'll soon realise on this site any criticism of WOHM's is a complete no no, you'll be patronised and told to stop being smug etc etc

It sounds like you have been on the receiving end of too much s**t from mums who don't spend much time with their kids and don't have a clue the effect it is having on their kids and you've gave up childminding because of this. I was the same. My kids still talk about the kids who came here, they really adored them, one little one in particular. But they couldn't understand why the little one always came here full of the cold, with antibiotics, with calpol, with a bad cough. Even though mine were young they thought the little one should have been at home with their parent, even if just until they got better. But the mum insisted the child was "fine". I always thought she couldn't see what was in front of her eyes, and that she needed to spend a bit more time with her child and to take her head out of the clouds.

Anyway, all I wanted to say before I got carried away is that I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but on this site you'll find most mums seem to work outside the home full time or at least most of the time and will shout you down if you disagree with them.

kittycatty · 19/09/2009 18:31

ssd thank you so much

You totally understand thank you again I think you have to be in the childminders shoes to see what i was trying to say.

loobylu3 · 19/09/2009 18:32

kitty- you may well have been a v professional childminder but you appear to have had little respect for some of your mindee's parents and their decision to not give up work to look after their own children. It seems quite unethical to make your living from something which you disapprove of and feel is not good for children.
If you feel that all children are better off being looked after at home during their preschool years, do you think that all mums should take 10 years or whatever out of their careers?!

OrmIrian · 19/09/2009 18:34

" and it makes me so mad to hear people telling me that if we just cut back on the luxuries I could have afforded it! That is simply bollocks!'
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That bit is not a myth! Beleive me DH was earning much less than 20k for many years.

"I don't know if you have been on MN for long, but you'll soon realise on this site any criticism of WOHM's is a complete no no, you'll be patronised and told to stop being smug etc etc" Well don't critisise then. Unless you know everyone's circumstances you cannot possibly comment on 'working mums' as a whole.

kittycatty · 19/09/2009 18:41

loobylu3 If it wasnt for people like me looking after other peoples children for peanuts, putting up with all the crap parents wouldnt beable to work!

OrmIrian · 19/09/2009 18:43

I never treated my CM like crap though kitty. Never. I was really fond of her and she of us. We still visit each other now even though she retired 3 years ago. I find it terribly sad that you clients left you with such a jaundiced view

lovechoc · 19/09/2009 18:54

ha, DH earns about £23k (that includes overtime!) and we manage fine on the one wage. but we just make do with what we have in order to have an enjoyable life. We are definately not rich, but we're happy. I suppose that's what matters the most.

BoffinMum · 19/09/2009 18:56

I am working for minus £400 a month at the moment (more if you take commuting costs into account).

In fact over my 20 year working life most of the time I have hardly broken even if you add it all up and deduct childcare.

I go through moments of feeling totally unvalued by society, which let's face it, is still really set up on the basis that we are serviced males with wifies in tow to attend to our every domestic need, with the odd sop to us in the form of derisory amounts of childcare vouchers of tax credit.

It's pants.

ssd · 19/09/2009 19:00

I think what is agreed on this thread is that the government needs to address the issue of paying childcare out of taxed income and also the low incomes paid to many childcare workers

parents and childcarers need help! I think we are all getting ripped off

violethill · 19/09/2009 19:01

Good for you then, lovechoc, but many people can't afford to live on one wage.

I agree that being happy and content with your life is the most important thing - thankfully for many people, having a life and a career outside the home and being happy aren't mutually exclusive!

Whenever I read these threads, I always think some women must have only ever done incredibly tedious jobs, as they seem very of women who enjoy their work.

thedolly · 19/09/2009 19:05

Some people even give up jobs they love so that they can be the primary care giver to their child.

lovechoc · 19/09/2009 19:05

no actually I've got a career but I've put it on the back burner for now. I will go back to in when the time is right and pick up where I left off ( I wasn't far up the ladder to begin with!) so nothing to lose.
Nothing tedious about working with mentally ill folk

I think living on £20-25k is actually manageable, if you put your mind to it and work out all your costs, it means one parent can SAH.

The problem with many people is that they want it all, and this is why all these problems occur. Sometimes in life you have to make sacrifices.

That said, as I've already mentioned, I've nothing against people who have to work, or those who enjoy it. That's good for them. It's a good job we're all different or it would be a boring world. But what does bug me is people who bleat on about it, yet they have Sky+ and a fancy car, with a huge detached house. Something's gotta give!

violethill · 19/09/2009 19:07

And some parents even continue their jobs and continue being the primary care givers for their children

(Though no doubt some MNer will feel threatened by that fact and will try to argue against it!!)

OrmIrian · 19/09/2009 19:10

AH violet I'm afraid you are misguided. If you work you are not capable of being involved in bringing up your DC..

lovechoc · 19/09/2009 19:12

violethill, I have a lot of respect for people that aim to do it all. I personally couldn't do that and admire those IRL that are in that position.

It wasn't something I wanted to do, I gave up work very soon and made the decision not to bother going back until I can commit myself fully to the career I'm trained in.

If I'd had a 9-5 job though I'd probably have taken a different view on this...

loobylu3 · 19/09/2009 19:14

kitty- it sounds as if you were treated really badly by some parents (paying late, turning up late, etc) but it is a real shame that it appears to have coloured your view of ALL working parents.
I think it's great if a parent is happy to give up a good job that they love to be with their children when they are small. However, if the parent would not be happy giving up their job and looking after their children full time, it is better that they continue to work, perhaps part time. If the mum (or dad) is not happy or fulfilled, this will not be good for the children. It is a v individual decision and people should respect others people's choices.

violethill · 19/09/2009 19:24

Thanks lovechoc.

Though I don't like the phrase 'do it all' - it's a bit like the 'having it all' thing - it means nothing at all.

I prefer to think that earning a living and being a parent are just things lots of people do. Not rocket science, not some incredibly amazing thing. Yeap, hard work, but then are so are most things worth doing.

AnnieLobeseder · 19/09/2009 19:26

I'd definitely agree with ssd about the taxes. We get our salary, pay tax on it, and than what's left goes stright to the childcare provider who pays tax on it again! The government have a good deal going there.

OrmIrian · 19/09/2009 19:30

"I prefer to think that earning a living and being a parent are just things lots of people do"

Yep. Exactly. Not clever or brave, just 'what you do'. It never occurred to me that I would give up work. It was never an option. And now, 12 yrs down the line, I am enjoying my 'choice' again.

sarah293 · 19/09/2009 19:32

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