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is this totally weird behaviour or what?

72 replies

alison56 · 03/07/2009 22:37

I have a friend who is acting totally bizarrely and I'm at a loss to figure this out. Please give me some idea who's in the right.

We both have children of the same age (3), which is how we met. I now have a second child who is five days old. My friend seems to find her own child's company hard work (aren't they all hard work aged 3?!) and admits that her daughter is easier to handle if there are other children to play with. In light of this, other children are frequently invited for playdates and my daughter is no exception.

My friend works in a job where she manages people. I have often felt (in an armchair psychology kind of way!) that she finds it hard to switch off the need to "control" people, even outside work. Certainly she sends me e-mails in a quite forthright (and frankly, sometimes rude) tone, questioning decisions I am making or asking for explanations or justifications for things which are really none of her concern. I do find this quite irritating but have never felt I could raise it with her because I don't like confrontation and it doesn't seem worth the hassle (I guess I'm wary of how she will react if I confront her). As an example, she recently questioned why my husband is working extra shifts (we need the money). This was not a simple query, it was in terms of "why is he working extra shifts when you say you're tired of being alone with the kids". This question came entirely out of the blue and out of context (via facebook).

My husband was upset about the tone of that particular email and offered to challenge her about her attitude (it was not the first such message) but I asked him not to.

On Tuesday this friend offered to look after my daughter for me on Thursday morning. My daughter has often gone to her house for playdates, but after I agreed (it was, in fact, a very welcome offer in the circumstances of us having a new baby), it transpired that it wasn't going to be a playdate at home, they were going out for the day (quite some distance from home).

In the meantime, we were telephoned by a close family friend who asked whether she could arrange to visit us this week. She has a very busy job and was going away for the weekend so it turned out that Thursday morning was the only time she could make.

In addition, my daughter's health visitor rang to arrange her three year check, also offering a time on Thursday morning.

I contacted my friend yesterday to tell her that my daughter would have to miss out on the outing, but that I hoped they had a nice day.

Following this I received a couple of quite sharp text messages questioning our arrangements. In her final text message she said that she was very irritated that I had cancelled the arrangement.

I am puzzled by this because it was clear from the outset that she was already planning to take her own child on this outing and that my child had been invited to tag along. I had assumed, therefore, that the outing would go ahead in my daughter's absence.

Ironically, she cancelled an arrangement to come and see our newborn baby when it was two days old. She was supposed to arrive around 4pm but simply didn't turn up (which is significant, as we had gone out and we made sure we were home in time for her to visit). We had no idea why she hadn't turned up but she eventually sent a text at 9.30pm that night to say she had become waylaid.

Tonight she is expressing her dissatisfaction via her facebook account. She has updated this three times now saying how bloody annoyed she is. I could be imagining it but I think the comments are directed at me.

I am very confused by her behaviour (and tired - I have a newborn!). I really think she expected me to change my plans so she could take my daughter out with them today, but in the circumstances I wanted my daughter to stay home. I am upset because I feel she feels she can comandeer my daughter to play with her child and that I am not allowed to change any arrangements. I have no idea how to deal with her and feel bullied.

help!

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alison56 · 08/07/2009 17:22

sorry I didn't get back to this earlier.

She did turn up at the party but sent her DD in advance with another child and her mother (they had been looking after her DD all day for her.....).

When her DD turned up without her I thought she wasn't coming but then my DH pointed out that her DD hadn't brought a present or a card and therefore (presumably) she had sent DD to the playdate without either, so she turned up with them later.

She was supposed to have been helping me with the catering so it's a good job I wasn't relying on her, eh? Luckily we had other friends who helped. She offered to help about halfway through and I politely declined. I was friendly but not overly so (spoke when spoken to).

Haven't heard from her since

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MiniMarmite · 08/07/2009 19:08

You sound lovely and reasonable.

Step away from the friend

alison56 · 08/07/2009 21:26

stepped away, as directed!

She'll lie low for a fortnight and pop up. We are going to three mutual birthday parties at the end of July (told you she was unavoidable!). I shall be calm and dignified ina mumsnet manner!

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EyePeam · 08/07/2009 22:30

ah well done you! you sound a lot more relaxed about things.

hope your dd had a fab party and the lo is doing well.

keep us posted on looney friend (I love a good looney friend thread, me.)

imaynotbeperfectbutimokmummy · 08/07/2009 23:36

it seems you have handled this really really well. I do kind of feel sorry for your friend, she seems a bit needy and clingy, but harsh as it sounds, that is simply not your problem.

There was a woman at DDs playgroup who sounds very similar, without the rudeness etc. She could only seem to cope with her children when she had company, almost like she needed the other child there and also another parent to help her cope. Im sure she has issues. I have issues of my own so i would get really stressed whenever she would invite me on a playdate. It was always really loud and stressfull and there was just no discipline (not that im big on discipline myself) and lunch was like feeding time at the zoo - food throwing, general chaos - not acceptable at 4yo imo. I felt like a nanny tbh. I would kind of get lumbared with the younger child while the mum buggered off and did stuff in the house or played with the two girls.

I just stopped accepting invites, cancelled (not out of malice, but because i was getting really anxious about going). Poor woman probably wonders what she has done wrong, but she just got into my personal space (she is very intense and touchy feely and i can't cope with that just now). I still talk to her at play group, although she has made it clear that she has little to say to me, can't say i blame her really. Shes moved on, made other friends. I don't feel guilty andi dont have to get stressed about being invited to her house for playdates i can't cope with.

JudyBlume1019 · 08/07/2009 23:48

good for you, you do not need her in yopur life, and nor does your dd. If she does't try to look after your dd properly when you are there, imagine what will happen when you're not!

babyignoramus · 09/07/2009 08:18

Congratz on the newborn. Am a (tiny) bit jealous!

Dump the friend - seriously she sounds like a nightmare. Also, it sounds like one of those classic 'kids thrown together because parents are friends' cases - my sister was bullied for years by a little girl who we gave a lift to school to who she probably would never have had anything tod o with otherwise. I bet your DD wouldn't be too sorry to drop the friendship - chances are she's getting the same treatment from your friend's DD (albeit in 3 year old form).

On a slightly more immature note - you could also change your facebook status to something like 'Alison56 is very dissapointed that her friend is bitching about her on here'. tee hee.

currymaid · 09/07/2009 08:23

It's the not turning up to visit your newborn that would really, really grate for me.

The rest is bad too, I echo what others are saying and would just take a step back from her.

I can't believe she thinks it's ok to post nasty facebook updates (hate, hate, hate that passive aggressive stuff on there anyway) just after you've had a baby.

alison56 · 09/07/2009 08:57

I was really irritated when she didn't turn up to see the baby, not so much because she hadn't seen the baby but because we specifically didn't want visitors in the first week but made an exception for her as she has been "on call" to look after DD if I went into labour.

Actually I think she was desperate to be the one who was called to our house if I went into labour, but it didn't turn out that way

I could handle her cancelling, the point was, she didn't cancel, she just didn't show and we were left not knowing whether to start making our evening meal etc. It was four hours before she sent a text and this is after having been texting me all afternoon with updates on her progress (eg, "I'm just in Tesco, I'll be with you in an hour").

She's been quiet on facebook since the weekend but has started using it again (I know, I should be doing more important things! But I use it to keep up to date with friends down under). The things she's posted are things I'd usually respond to but I'm leaving her be.

I don't think my DD feels bullied by her DD because at their age it doesn't really constitute bullying. Her DD simply has to have her own way all of the time and throws tantrums at the rate of about three an hour (which my DD has grown out of). My friend deals with this by allowing her DD to get her own way, just to stop the tantrum. Sometimes this involves penalising MY child, which grates on me (for example, making my DD give a toy to her DD, even though my DD was playing with it first).

When she's been there without me I've always worried that she's being treated unequally but also her DD has physically hurt my daughter on several occasions (throwing things at her face, ramming her fingers between toys) and she never really deals with this behaviour in the way I would like (she does comfort my DD but then tries to brush it off without actually making her DD understand that what she has done is wrong).

It's hard isn't it? I have no family and DH's parents (although near by) aren't very helpful. We have often relied on her to help (for example she looked after DD while I went for an amniocentesis) but equally we have been there to help whenever she's needed it (despite the fact my heart sinks when I have to deal with her DD in my home).

Sigh

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StealthPolarBear · 09/07/2009 09:14

Be adult. Her facebook updates are completely unacceptable, and I would email her and request (in a fairly formal manner) that she stops doing it as you find it childish and upsetting.
Anything she questions you on I would respond with "I appreciate you don't agree, but this is what we've decided and this is what we're doing."
Personally I'd have to pull her up on it a abit - if you don't you are more tolerant and forgiving than me

itsbeingsocheerful · 09/07/2009 10:15

Although in general I think you have a right to be peeved Alison - particularly about the FB stuff and questioning your lifestyle, decisions - can I just put a tiny word in your support of your friend over the cancelling of the Thursday outing.

I think I too might feel a little put out if a planned, arranged daytrip, which undoubtedly had been built up as a great treat for her DD was cancelled because something else came up.

And yes although they could have still gone, maybe her DD had asked for your DD to come and your friend had to deal with her disappointment.

Did you ever ask what happened to her when she failed to come and see your baby? It seems very odd that she should update you regularly and then just not appear. Has she always been like this, or is something happening in her life that you've not spotted because you are - rightly - wrapped up with your new arrival.

Congrats btw!

SlartyBartFast · 09/07/2009 10:36

glad you are still tryign to ignore her facebook entries.
i had an unwanted friend - she kept clear for 2 weeks after my youngest was born, though i could ahve done with the help and the company and after 2 weeks was back again, like a bad smell, even when her youngest started school she still thought she could come round fortnightly,
sigh, by which time i was working, and busy.. i cracked it somehow, i said, can i come to yours.. her dh came home - really unfriendly asked why i was there.
no further invite or visit.
wanker

i did miss her when i moved to a different area but she didnt want to come and visit me there and she moved without telling me where.

facebook is evil in some respects.

alison56 · 09/07/2009 21:16

Cheerful

I don't think I am wrapped up in the baby, TBH.

I'm a real "people person" and I spot what's going on in others' lives quite readily.

She is (I think) trying to conceive a second child. I did tread very carefully on telling her I was pregnant (though figured I could hardly hide it). I can't help the fact she hasn't conceived and I don't think there's anything I can do or say to help. I have deliberately avoided showing her the baby's nursery before she was born (she would normally ask to see a newly decorated room and I would normally show her but on this occasion I just allowed her to take the lead and she never asked to see it).

She never talked about my pregnancy and I didn't really mention it in her company unless someone else did. I carried on as normal and even helped with the catering at her DD's birthday party when I was 39 weeks pregnant.

There are lots of things going on in her life (including a stressful job) that I'm well aware of (because she tells me) but she isn't somebody who wants your advice - she wants to offload but doesn't appreciate constructive help so I've learned not to give it unless specifically asked.

Today she sent me a message on facebook to say her DD is sick and not in nursery. I replied briefly to this. She followed it up with a message asking how we are "going to sort out the fact that we have pissed each other off".

After a long sigh I have replied telling her that I still don't really understand why she is makign such an issue of it, reminding her that she didn't show up to see the baby (with no explanation until 4 hours later) and tellign her that, frankly, I feel she intimidated by her and that the tone she uses is not appropriate between friends. I have hinted that I feel she is treating me like somebody she manages at work in the hope she will see this might be true.

I have told her I feel unable to be honest with her because I'm scared of her reactions.

I have told her that, as a mother, I reserve the right to have final say over where my child needs to be (and when). I have said I reserve the right to cancel arrangemtns with adequate notice if this is unavoidable.

I have told her that her text messages are aggressive and that I feel this is not considerate or helpful in the circumstances of us having a new baby.

I have said I value her friendship and want it to continue but that I will not be intimidated by her.

I have done all of this on the back of the support I have received here - thankyou all so much.

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MollieO · 09/07/2009 21:30

I think she thinks she is a closer friend to you than you think she is or wish her to be. She is probably realising this, hence her behaviour/reactions.

I would gradually see less of her. When your dcs start school your social network will change anyway so this is just a bit earlier.

SlartyBartFast · 09/07/2009 21:33

good news, well done and good luck

Fanjita · 09/07/2009 21:36

Wow...well done!!! Did you put that in a private message or on her facebook wall?

alison56 · 09/07/2009 22:18

oh I would never do that publicly - it would look awful and really show her up - it was a private message.

I've never been so assertive in my life, despite so-called assertiveness training at work (so at least I knew to use "I feel" rather than the accusative "you make me feel"!!)

She hasn't replied yet.

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Fanjita · 09/07/2009 22:32

I did think it would be a private message. I really admire how you've dealt with it. Good for you

MrsAsp · 10/07/2009 21:32

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ConnieComplaint · 11/07/2009 00:16

Good for you! I'm glad you felt able to speak up for yourself.

Don't let her bully you.

Silver1 · 11/07/2009 00:40

I have to go against the grain here
This lady is bossy, and anti-social, and unreliable
BUT whilst you needed her you put up with her, whilst you wanted her to do stuff you let her carry on.
Now that you have your new baby, and enough time for FB and MN you obviously don't need her and are asking for advice on how to dump her.
She may be odd, but to be honest in my view you don't come out of this well either. So I think YABU.

StealthPolarBear · 11/07/2009 18:06

Well done for an assertive but not nasty message

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