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is this totally weird behaviour or what?

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alison56 · 03/07/2009 22:37

I have a friend who is acting totally bizarrely and I'm at a loss to figure this out. Please give me some idea who's in the right.

We both have children of the same age (3), which is how we met. I now have a second child who is five days old. My friend seems to find her own child's company hard work (aren't they all hard work aged 3?!) and admits that her daughter is easier to handle if there are other children to play with. In light of this, other children are frequently invited for playdates and my daughter is no exception.

My friend works in a job where she manages people. I have often felt (in an armchair psychology kind of way!) that she finds it hard to switch off the need to "control" people, even outside work. Certainly she sends me e-mails in a quite forthright (and frankly, sometimes rude) tone, questioning decisions I am making or asking for explanations or justifications for things which are really none of her concern. I do find this quite irritating but have never felt I could raise it with her because I don't like confrontation and it doesn't seem worth the hassle (I guess I'm wary of how she will react if I confront her). As an example, she recently questioned why my husband is working extra shifts (we need the money). This was not a simple query, it was in terms of "why is he working extra shifts when you say you're tired of being alone with the kids". This question came entirely out of the blue and out of context (via facebook).

My husband was upset about the tone of that particular email and offered to challenge her about her attitude (it was not the first such message) but I asked him not to.

On Tuesday this friend offered to look after my daughter for me on Thursday morning. My daughter has often gone to her house for playdates, but after I agreed (it was, in fact, a very welcome offer in the circumstances of us having a new baby), it transpired that it wasn't going to be a playdate at home, they were going out for the day (quite some distance from home).

In the meantime, we were telephoned by a close family friend who asked whether she could arrange to visit us this week. She has a very busy job and was going away for the weekend so it turned out that Thursday morning was the only time she could make.

In addition, my daughter's health visitor rang to arrange her three year check, also offering a time on Thursday morning.

I contacted my friend yesterday to tell her that my daughter would have to miss out on the outing, but that I hoped they had a nice day.

Following this I received a couple of quite sharp text messages questioning our arrangements. In her final text message she said that she was very irritated that I had cancelled the arrangement.

I am puzzled by this because it was clear from the outset that she was already planning to take her own child on this outing and that my child had been invited to tag along. I had assumed, therefore, that the outing would go ahead in my daughter's absence.

Ironically, she cancelled an arrangement to come and see our newborn baby when it was two days old. She was supposed to arrive around 4pm but simply didn't turn up (which is significant, as we had gone out and we made sure we were home in time for her to visit). We had no idea why she hadn't turned up but she eventually sent a text at 9.30pm that night to say she had become waylaid.

Tonight she is expressing her dissatisfaction via her facebook account. She has updated this three times now saying how bloody annoyed she is. I could be imagining it but I think the comments are directed at me.

I am very confused by her behaviour (and tired - I have a newborn!). I really think she expected me to change my plans so she could take my daughter out with them today, but in the circumstances I wanted my daughter to stay home. I am upset because I feel she feels she can comandeer my daughter to play with her child and that I am not allowed to change any arrangements. I have no idea how to deal with her and feel bullied.

help!

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EyePeam · 03/07/2009 23:42

congratulations on your lovely new baby!

this woman sounds like a loon, v controlling and not what you need in your life. but appreciate you might actually be seeing her tomorrow! Don't be proactive with her, just be normal and pretend like you haven't had a moment to read her ridiculous texts and FB messages.

Also, can I suggest that you prepare a couple of short, blunt lines to use with her if she starts questioning / being arsey to your face - something like "FriendName, I have a 5 day old baby and am in the middle of managing dd's party. Now is not the time, please can you drop the subject." Use her name - those managerial type people always use peoples' names, a lot, for some reason, so it may help her to take your point. (sorry to nice people managers for the massive generalisation)

I agree with other posters about the big picture - be serene and ignore ignore ignore, enjoy your family and your baby and block her on Facebook - you don't need to see her sarky comments. What sort of a friend is bullying and sarky to another friend at any time, let alone when they've got a brand new baby to look after?? You don't need to embark on all-out war but you can drop her quietly by being very busy with your own stuff for a while.

alison56 · 03/07/2009 23:43

lol at "twatbook"!

The thing about twat/facebook is that I used to live abroad (in Aus) and it's a good way to keep in touch with friends who are in stupidly strange time zones. They've been able to coo over the new baby from the other side of the world.

I wonder whether I ought to make a new facebook account to keep in touch with the people in Aus and real friends. Oh what a load of hassle.

I'm glad you all think she's being unreasonable. There was about 20% of me that thought I was wrong for having cancelled the arrangement.

You are all right about us having time to bond as a family. Actually we're doing really well on that score and I haven't needed help with my three year old until yesterday - I had to take the baby for a hospital appointment at some silly early hour and it just would have been so much easier without DD1.

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Boobalina · 03/07/2009 23:45

Make DD1 your special helper - she'll love the responibilty (and it can help you too)

alison56 · 03/07/2009 23:47

she's a control freak, isn't she? All makes sense now.

She even wanted me to have DD's party at her house. I'd already booked another venue but she started sending me facebook messages questioning why I had done this. When I told her I didn't want to risk a party at home (knowing I'd have a newborn) she said I should have it in her garden. When I said I was concerned it might rain, she said it wouldn't rain (and what do you know, the forecast tomorrow is for rain). In any case, I have my OWN garden. She said she'd do the balloons, said the whole thing was "sorted" despite the fact I had somewhere else booked. I just stopped replying to her messages on the subject - it was all so weird.

Yes, she has been TTC without success. She's quite a bit older than me and I'm 37. I know she's had a hard time coming to terms with this but surely it doesn't lead to this sort of behaviour??

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alison56 · 03/07/2009 23:49

(my newborn is lovely BTW. Thanks for the copngrats - couldn't be happier if I was dipped in milky bar)

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Curiousmama · 03/07/2009 23:52

Ewww she's creeping me out now and she's not even on my facefuckbook.

She reminds me of that woman in Misery.

EyePeam · 04/07/2009 00:21

she really is a loon isn't she?? doesn't listen, tries to take over and always questioning what you're doing. wants to live your life for you, or if not run it for you.

back away veeeerry slowly and hope she doesn't notice...

ConnieComplaint · 04/07/2009 01:16

J.E.S.U.S! Get rid of her...quickly!!

I used to have a 'friend' like that!!

She had 2 little boys & I had 1 little girl.

When C'mas came round she asked me what I had got dd...then she landed on C'mas eve with the same doll!!! She bought her designer clothes, tried to tell me when dd needed a hair cut etc...

It took me 2 years to break away from this woman!! In that time she had tried to split me & dh up, arrived at my house uninvited when I wasn't even out of bed, ordered me new furniture online without my knowing and hacked into my yahoo mail account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was the yahoo mail thing that finally made me tell her to sling her hook!!

She always wanted my dd to stay over with her, dh always said no. And I know this bit will seem made-up now, but last year her brother was up in court charged with molesting children... (he lived with her). At the time I was thinking of contacting her incase she wanted support but dh said he'd rather I didn't incase the whole stalking thing started all over again.

So, my adivce? Get out now. Just explain it to her that she's too overbearing, you don't have time for her anymore. I used a new job as an excuse at the time.

PurpleOne · 04/07/2009 03:52

and there was 20% of you thining you was wrong for cancelling?

with a 5 day old baby????

when my dd2 was 5 days old, i had dd1 of 18 months - I was lucky to get out of my dressing gown! Let alone get out of the house.

DO NOT feel bad.
she;s very controlling, taking over and not listening for one...and shes throwing you nasty texts too?
with a 5 day old dc, i wouldnt have the time to respond.

GET RID

NOW!

Tambajam · 04/07/2009 07:35

Phew. Sounds like bloody hardwork!
I would probably call her on this behaviour if I were in your shoes and I did value the friendship. Don't tiptoe around it. Just say you find it very strange that she feels it's appropriate to be angry with you over the daytrip issue. That you have enough on your plate at the moment and if she is going to be a friend who causes emotional pressure rather than support you are not sure there is a healthy future ahead of you.
If you don't feel you can do this I would start to back off. Use the new baby as an excuse. Stay on polite terms for when you bump into each other but life is seriously too short to include someone who behaves like Alexis from Dynasty.
Perhaps something else is going on here and you will end up having a frank conversation which moves your friendship onto a new level. But I wouldn't potter along waiting for the next strop. And I would stay away from any mention of her on facebook. She obviously feels it's a dream for passive aggressive messages.

growingup · 04/07/2009 08:05

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MIAonline · 04/07/2009 08:13

I agree with the advice given, to get rid. You do not need friends like this. She is not your friend if she makes you feel like this.

You have so much more going on in your life that you shouldn't have to waste a second thinking about her very odd behaviour.

Either just step away for a while or confront her. You are in a good position to show her how weird unreasonable she is being.

EyePeam · 05/07/2009 09:40

hey alison - just checking in to see how things went yesterday. hope your DD had a lovely birthday!

FabBakerGirlIsBack · 05/07/2009 09:43

It seems that she is using your child as she can't manage her own on her own.

And you were well within your rights to cancel. Days out can be anytime - these other things less so.

hopingalways · 05/07/2009 10:32

congrats on the new born! I don't know all the back story here, but it sounds like she's finding parenting tough...kids are hell on earth for control freaks and it could be the first time she's come up against something she couldn't manage. Does she have a ton load of baby/toddler books and her DD still plays up?

think the other poster's have got it right here - nudge her away, you have so many precious things to devote your attention to!

Morloth · 05/07/2009 11:39

I would just back off from her TBH. Politely decline playdate invites and don't invite her to stuff yourself anymore. Stop checking her facebook and not reply to her texts, you don't need to be rude but you can step away.

You can still see each other at mutual events but with a bit more distance.

She sounds like she likes things on her terms and kicks up a fuss if she can't get her way.

As the mother of an only I do often commandeer other people's kids (as 2 five year olds are easier than 1!) but only when it is mutually agreeable!

Tortington · 05/07/2009 12:02

i'm not a confrontational person IRL, but i would have to contact her via facebook or otherwise and tell her that i find her tone upsetting and that i have a newborn to think about without all this shit - then delete her.

so what you have to see her around - its not the end of the world.

she's not a friend. friends understand things

LilTulip · 05/07/2009 12:35

I know someone who turned out to be a bit of a loon and take over my dd.
We were never really friends, she was more of an aquaintance/neighbour through our DD's being friends. (her DD was 6)

she would take my DD into her house and give her a shower and breakfast without my knowledge.
Give her her evening meal when i was already cooking for her, She would put pyjamas on/ get DD changed if she was playing at her house. She gave my DD a dummy and encouraged her to use it, DD was 4 at the time and had never had a dummy...this caused great agro because DD couldn't understand why i wouldn't allow this when she was allowed at her house!!!! she even went to the extent of putting a nappy on DD at her house even though she had been out of nappies for 2 years at the time.

I later found out that her DD (6) still had a dummy, bottle and wore nappies even tough she was fully toilet trained. and This women told me she was thinking of using a buggy for her DD, also her 12 year old DD was often seen out playing with a dummy in her mouth

she used to constantly ask for my DD to sleep over at her house, no matter how many times i told her DD was too young to do sleepovers. She would then ask me to have her dd at my house constantly despite me telling her i didn't have room in DD's bedroom.

she then started buying her dd and ds the same clothes/shoes/toys that my DD and DS's had.She would do her DD's hair the same as my DD's.
Then she herself started to wear/buy clothes/shoes the same as mine. she would wear her hair the same. copy my make up.
And also used the same colour schemes as mine in her house

I always tried to ignore it but got to the stage where i couldn't stand her and thought alot of her behaviour freaky. I realised that it wasn't normal. So i just stopped talking to her. i didn't feel i needed to justify myself. even though i haven't spoke to her for 18 months she still continues to watch me very closely when she see's me and wears the same clthes/shoes/hair. And when she realised my DC's were no longer at her DC's schools. She moved her kids to the same as mine.

It sounds like you need to wash your hands of this woman as a friendship like this can really mess with you. You are much better off putting all your time and effort into your DD and newborn.

posiedullardparker · 05/07/2009 12:52

Get rid of this vile woman.
YANBU

Fanjita · 06/07/2009 10:01

Wow LilTulip that's scary!

Alison - did she turn up at the party? Did she behave? Hope your daughter had a lovely day and you that you were able to relax and enjoy it too.

LilTulip · 07/07/2009 18:55

fanjita Yes it really was starting to freak me out.
If i bumped into her and stopped for a chat she would get so close to me i would have to step back....then she would step closer. It was so claustrophobic.

Even now she stil really gets to me even though we don't speak!!!

She will stop dead in the street and just stare at me/watch me which she make so obvious. She still copies me with clothes/make up etc....i have never said anything to her but am considering doing so.

But i don't see her too often so may just bite my tongue.

Alison How did things go? Any updates?

zeke · 07/07/2009 18:59

Congratulations on your new baby

I agree - your friend does sound toxic. I would seriously start to question whether she is a friend tbh.

TheChilliMoose · 07/07/2009 19:06

Get rid of her from your Facebook account. Making your dispute public via your status is a horrid thing to do.

piscesmoon · 07/07/2009 19:06

Just be polite but avoid her as much as possible.

Jux · 07/07/2009 21:51

Just be polite but don't cosy up with her. Presumably there'll be others there, so of course, as host, you have tons to do and many people and things to oversee so you can charge past her all the time throwing a "woman's work is never done" comment at her over your shoulder.

If she sends you any more arsey e-mails I would turn her tactics back onto her. Send her one back saying "Talk me through XYZ", or you could ask her why she thinks it's OK to treat you like one of her staff... It's e-mail so you won't hear the explosion and she can be as bad tempered as she likes on facebook, it doesn't touch you.

Congrats and happy birthday to dd.

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