to think that these "men" that are talking about submissive women out to be hung, drawn and quartered.

[flubdub]

I wouldnt read if you're easily offended.
Bleugh

Is this something that men want, but dont like to admit? Its bizarre. I can only assume they are about 15 years old!

You've scared me off clicking on the link so I don't know!

Its just some men on a forum talking about how they want submissive women.

[shcok]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a bit of role play where the woman pretends to be submissive for the man or vice versa at certain times, but what these men are suggesting goes beyond that and it's rather shocking.

I'd be questioning their upbringing and whether thay had any positive female role models in their lives when growing up, if they have these attitudes.

It's very sad actually.

Sad also that there are woman out there who want to be submissive in this way and seek it out

Yuck! Bet it's all in their imagination. Either that or they pay for it.

yep edam, you're probably right.

It'ds not something that you can say men in general want, just a certain proportion of them who are fucked up.

The "dog" and "slave" comments are quite disturbing, I found.

They are most likely fugly men with teeny penises(peni?) that have never so uch as glimpsed a naked woman, let alone touched one.

Is this like a fetish though?
Or a flaw in society?
Or badly brough up children?

Men in general don't want it.

SOME men do.

SOME women like being submissive.

I don't see what the problem is, if it's all consensual, and it doesn't spill over into other aspects of the relationship

What I don't really get is why guys would want to talk about it on a forum, with other guys.

I don't like the judginess of "if they want it they must be fucked up" either. What people like sexually is pretty varied and doesn't say much at all about them as people imo (again obviously assuming we're talking about consenting adults).

The guys on the link are nobboids though

Oh no, Im not saying its wierd. I can understand it. It interests me. No judging from me there.
Im just talking about they way the men speak about the women.

As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult I think it is different strokes for different folks.

I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, but then they feel the same way about me, so it works out doesn't it!

No, I didn't mean you with the judginess flubdub (thread title aside)

It was overmydeadbody who said "just a certain proportion of them who are fucked up"

that's how I feel too Morloth

I suspect I would not be their cup of tea

TBH I find it weird but I guess it could work for some couples.

The whole BDSM thing is a bit 'meh' as far as I'm concerned, I don't really get it, but each to their own. There are submissive men too.

This lot do sound a bit beavis and butthead though don't they?

I would personally find it degrading but whatever floats your boat.

This is where it all comes from. My twat P compared me to his friends wife who makes coffee for him when asked, has a meal there whenever he wants etc. My P is an abuser who is validated by this kind of shit. No way am I at his beck and call though, as I pointed out to him I'm not some robot programmed to respond to a mans every need ESPECIALLY A MAN WHO CANT MAKE HIS OWN FUCKING COFFEE!!!!! Ok feel better now.

On the pages 161-180 of that website, a woman talks about letting her husband tell her what to wear for work.
Is that a little bordering on abusive?

God, if some bloke can't make his own coffee, then he goes without, surely? Unless he has a willing slave partner. Non-abusive men only behave like this when they can, ie when they have someone to do the dirty work for them. Not to say that they're not knobs, just that it takes two to tango. Abusive men are a different kettle of fish, since they expend a great deal of time deconstructing a woman until she has not a shred of self-esteem left and feels fit only to servicee her man.

And having read a bit of that forum, they are indeed mostly tossers. I so doubt any of them has a sex life with another person.

Had a quick look at that link and was roffling at the way, as soon as a hairy trucker woman posts to say she likes being submissive, the same poster greases up to her like Joey from Friends: "How you doin' . . .?"

Bleurgh.

I have friends who live the Dominant/submissive (D/s) lifestyle, and they are all happy with their choice. In some ways there is actually more power with the submissive partner because she (or he) has to consent and can withdraw that consent at any time and end the relationship.

Having talked to people living the D/s lifestyle, I can also say that it definitely shouldn't be about abuse (and isn't abusive in the D/s relationships that I know about), and the submissive women that I have met are definitely not doormats - they are strong intelligent women.

Someone chooses to be submissive because it feels right for them, and their submission is a gift. Unfortunately it can be given to the wrong person, and there are an awful lot of wannabes out there who think that being Dominant simply means bullying the other person into compliance, shouting, being abusive, whereas a Dominant friend tells me that it is about enabling the other person to be the best that they can be. I don't know how to explain it better, I'm afraid.

I will say that the submissive women whom I'm friends with are all happy, fulfilled and proud of who they are, and find that the s of a D/s relationship have actually made them free.

Ew, i couldn't get past the first page!!!

Stayingsunnygirl, thats very interesting.
Do people openly talk to their friends about being dom/sub? I would have thought it was something very private.